Well as I said, even in our darkest hour, blowing up women and children was not standard practice...Sorry, yes we fight, we fight wars, we fight armies, and when we fight we tend to have a reason, we do not fight innocent women and children and we certainly do not fight them because they believe differently. That is why we do not identify with themUzique wrote:
um. how is this different from anywhere else in the world? europe and north america have both been hubs for 'violence and intolerance', creating mass 'turmoil', throughout all of history. we're hardly even in a quiet-period now... there isn't 10 years without a conflict or a military operation somewhere. what makes the middle-east especially bad? perhaps the fact you don't identify with them, hence them being the dreaded 'other'?lowing wrote:
bottom line is this... Even if the US or Israel etc was non-existent in the ME, it would still be in turmoil because their culture of violence and intolerance against each other as well as everything non-islamic creates turmoil.
speaking of bogeyman...
What is this? are you actually making a argument that wherever Islam is trouble seems to follow? Ok I agree.Uzique wrote:
bottom line is this... even if the muslims were non-existent in europe, it would still be in turmoil because of our culture of violence and intolerance against each other as well as everything that the muslim immigrants do create. bosnia? georgia? chechyna? northern ireland? spain?
um how can you be so thick? none of those conflicts had anything whatsoever to do with islam.lowing wrote:
What is this? are you actually making a argument that wherever Islam is trouble seems to follow? Ok I agree.Uzique wrote:
bottom line is this... even if the muslims were non-existent in europe, it would still be in turmoil because of our culture of violence and intolerance against each other as well as everything that the muslim immigrants do create. bosnia? georgia? chechyna? northern ireland? spain?
because we do not set out on a mission to kill women and children. Yes in war women and children die. However, they are not targeted. The same can not be said in the ME however.Uzique wrote:
how is the collateral deaths of women and children from a suicide bombing any different from the collateral deaths of women and children from air ordinance or advanced firepower? you're splitting a moral hair, here.
no we dontUzique wrote:
you don't set out to kill women and children? oh.
um.
I was being a smart ass Uzi...Uzique wrote:
um how can you be so thick? none of those conflicts had anything whatsoever to do with islam.lowing wrote:
What is this? are you actually making a argument that wherever Islam is trouble seems to follow? Ok I agree.Uzique wrote:
bottom line is this... even if the muslims were non-existent in europe, it would still be in turmoil because of our culture of violence and intolerance against each other as well as everything that the muslim immigrants do create. bosnia? georgia? chechyna? northern ireland? spain?
i was satirising your misinformed bullshit
and you fell for it... spectacularly
last 50 years of your history and the statistics of civilian deaths say otherwise.11 Bravo wrote:
no we dontUzique wrote:
you don't set out to kill women and children? oh.
um.
Were these the Islamic extremists that were so eloquently described as "family men kissing their kids goodbye while they went off to protect them and their country" in your video?Uzique wrote:
last 50 years of your history and the statistics of civilian deaths say otherwise.11 Bravo wrote:
no we dontUzique wrote:
you don't set out to kill women and children? oh.
um.
or do you mean you're fighting ideological wars, against faceless enemies? the women and children are incidental and not intentional?
well you could argue that islamic extremists are 'fighting' against america as an entity; against a culture; against a way of life; against a perceived threat. in that case they're not specifically or malevolently 'targetting' women and children any more than you guys were when you carpet bombed 'nam or funded the contras to kidnap, rape and torture in nicaragua.
no what i am saying is i dont care what your books or profs say....i have lost friends to save civs.Uzique wrote:
last 50 years of your history and the statistics of civilian deaths say otherwise.11 Bravo wrote:
no we dontUzique wrote:
you don't set out to kill women and children? oh.
um.
or do you mean you're fighting ideological wars, against faceless enemies? the women and children are incidental and not intentional?
well you could argue that islamic extremists are 'fighting' against america as an entity; against a culture; against a way of life; against a perceived threat. in that case they're not specifically or malevolently 'targetting' women and children any more than you guys were when you carpet bombed 'nam or funded the contras to kidnap, rape and torture in nicaragua.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombinglowing wrote:
Well as I said, even in our darkest hour, blowing up women and children was not standard practice...Sorry, yes we fight, we fight wars, we fight armies, and when we fight we tend to have a reason, we do not fight innocent women and children and we certainly do not fight them because they believe differently. That is why we do not identify with themUzique wrote:
um. how is this different from anywhere else in the world? europe and north america have both been hubs for 'violence and intolerance', creating mass 'turmoil', throughout all of history. we're hardly even in a quiet-period now... there isn't 10 years without a conflict or a military operation somewhere. what makes the middle-east especially bad? perhaps the fact you don't identify with them, hence them being the dreaded 'other'?lowing wrote:
bottom line is this... Even if the US or Israel etc was non-existent in the ME, it would still be in turmoil because their culture of violence and intolerance against each other as well as everything non-islamic creates turmoil.
speaking of bogeyman...
Nah, we just lay siege to them and burn them out. It's not as bad if they're other Americans, though.lowing wrote:
Well as I said, even in our darkest hour, blowing up women and children was not standard practice...
misquote?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Nah, we just lay siege to them and burn them out. It's not as bad if they're other Americans, though.FatherTed wrote:
Well as I said, even in our darkest hour, blowing up women and children was not standard practice...