Cheeky_Ninja06
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pirana6 wrote:

In all honesty he seems fairly normal for a 13 year old. My brother has been suspected of having Asperger's and he and this kid don't seem much a like at all.
As far as I understand it Asperger's / Autism is a very general condition where one part of the brain works overtime at the expense of other parts. I watched a documentary on it where they had a person that spent 30 seconds looking at new york then went and redrew the whole thing to pin point accuracy with the right number of windows on every building and excessive levels of detail. There were quite a few other people who had similar traits but I cant remember the examples anymore.


blue herring wrote:

He says that because Light travels at a constant but moves from left to right it must be manipulated by an outside force that travels at a faster rate. He then states it would be ".9 times faster than light" which would actually make it slower than light. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he meant "1.9 times".
I understand .9 times faster to mean 90% faster, i.e. nearly twice as fast. 1.9 times faster I suppose is a more grammatically correct way of saying it but I wouldnt go so far as to say it was wrong. If you said something was 100% faster that could mean twice as fast...

.9 times the speed of light would be slower, but .9 times faster definitely suggest the above

Last edited by Cheeky_Ninja06 (2011-03-29 01:48:12)

Kmar
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dumbass doesn't know how to use this sign...

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everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously.
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tazz. wrote:

dumbass doesn't know how to use this sign...

http://imgur.com/EPIeG.png
Give him credit for enthusiasm. He's already light years ahead of the average adult.
Kmar
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I’ve been getting lots of emails and tweets about a young man named Jacob Barnett, a 12-year-old who is apparently a math genius. He’s been getting a lot of press lately because he’s tackling some pretty heavy problems in astrophysics, including relativity.

I want to be clear that from the videos on YouTube and such, he does appear to have an extremely advanced grasp of math and science. I also think he has a lot of promise! However, science is more than just learning the equations. It takes insight that generally comes with time. Happily, Mr. Barnett has that time, and has a big head start with the basics.

Steve Novella tackles that issue very well at Neurologica, and I don’t necessarily disagree with anything he wrote there.

But I do want to talk briefly about the way Barnett’s story has been told by some media. I first saw it at Time magazine’s site, with the headline "12-Year-Old Genius Expands Einstein’s Theory of Relativity, Thinks He Can Prove It Wrong".

Barnett may very well be a genius, and may very well rewrite a lot of physics… as, no doubt, future generations of genius scientists will. But one thing they won’t do is prove relativity wrong.

Bold statement? Not really. We know relativity is right. It may be incomplete, but it’s not wrong.

What I mean by this isn’t too hard to understand. In science (ideally, if you’ll pardon the pun), an idea becomes a hypothesis, a testable statement. If it passes the test, it can be expanded upon, broadened, tested and retested. Eventually, as it grows and becomes more solid, it becomes a theory — I know, in the general jargon that word means "guess", but to a scientist a theory is an explanation of phenomena so profoundly certain that a layperson would call it a law.

Relativity is just such a theory. It has passed essentially every single test to which it has been put for the past century. It is literally tested millions of times a day in particle accelerators, for example.

As I wrote in a post on relativity and geocentrism:

    Relativity is one of the most well-tested and thoroughly solid ideas in all of science for all time. It is literally tested millions of times a day in particle accelerators. We see it in every cosmological observation, every star that explodes in the sky, every time a nuclear power plant generates even an iota of energy. Heck, without relativity your GPS wouldn’t work.

    Relativity is so solid, in fact, that anyone who denies it outright at this point can be charitably called a kook.

So I don’t think anyone, young Jacob Barnett or otherwise, will ever prove relativity to be wrong. What they might do, what I think and hope someone eventually will do, is show how it’s incomplete.

Put it this way: Isaac Newton formulated his Universal Law of Gravitation, and it revolutionized physics and astronomy, allowing us to apply math to the thorny issue of gravity. Newton’s Law is still valid today, four centuries later. However, it’s limited to a regime where masses are small and velocities low. If you want to calculate the Moon’s effect on Earth, Newton is the way to go. We still use his basic equations to plot the trajectories of our spacecraft, and they ply the solar system’s gravitational pathways with incredible precision.

But when you start to approach the speed of light, or deal with masses that are very large, Newton’s math breaks down. It doesn’t work.

Einstein fixed that. His Theory of Relativity uses far more complex math that can deal with these large velocities and masses, and get you the correct answers. When you look at Einstein’s equations for low velocities and small masses, they simplify right down to what Newton wrote. Newton wasn’t wrong, he was incomplete.

Einstein added to Newton, made the math more accurate. The thing is, we know relativity is incomplete right now. In the realm of the very, very small, relativity has some issues with quantum mechanics. QM is just as solid as relativity as theories go. Atomic bombs make that clear, as well as digital camera, electronics in general, and on and on. Obviously, one or both of QM and relativity are incomplete.

Again, we know they are not wrong — not like creationism is wrong, or astrology and Geocentrism are wrong, in that they don’t explain anything and all the evidence is against them — but just that we don’t know everything about them yet. There may be some bigger idea, some broader concept that unifies them, and reduces to either one if you use the right conditions, just as relativity reduces to Newton’s law in certain circumstances.

I am very much looking forward to seeing what Barnett can do in the next few years. If he can garner the insight and the imagination needed to marry QM and relativity, to unite these two seemingly immiscible fields, then I will happily cheer him on as he accepts his Nobel Prize. But that’s a whole different ballgame than proving it wrong.
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"and can solve up to 200 numbers of Pi."

ooo

Taylor series, I think the journalist didn't take calc.

"We figure he'll find a way to pencil that in between dating his girlfriend and playing Halo: Reach, one of his favorite video games."

who the fuck has a girlfriend at the age of 12? I know girls are hitting puberty earlier... but seriously?
jord
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12 isn't that young to have a gf.
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jord wrote:

12 isn't that young to have a gf.
mmm I'm pretty sure at that age you would call it a "friend that is a girl"
SenorToenails
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Trotskygrad wrote:

jord wrote:

12 isn't that young to have a gf.
mmm I'm pretty sure at that age you would call it a "friend that is a girl"
I didn't have a girlfriend that young...but I know people who did.  Those 'relationships' are just as mature as the people in them--that is to say, not very.
SEREMAKER
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he'll be flipping burgers at 19 bragging he knows how to disprove Einstein

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Blue Herring
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SEREMAKER wrote:

he'll be flipping burgers at 19 bragging he knows how to disprove Einstein
Kinda like that guy who said he could "Mathematically prove god".
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that kid is good at math
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SenorToenails wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

jord wrote:

12 isn't that young to have a gf.
mmm I'm pretty sure at that age you would call it a "friend that is a girl"
I didn't have a girlfriend that young...but I know people who did.  Those 'relationships' are just as mature as the people in them--that is to say, not very.
I went on my first and second dates in fourth grade
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Jay wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:


mmm I'm pretty sure at that age you would call it a "friend that is a girl"
I didn't have a girlfriend that young...but I know people who did.  Those 'relationships' are just as mature as the people in them--that is to say, not very.
I went on my first and second dates in fourth grade
i'm sure the teacher felt the same way . . .

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