If that's used as a determining factor for humanity, than you could expand that to 'fend for itself' and add a few years to legal termination limits.Nic wrote:
eat without an Umbilical cord.
eleven bravo on page one wrote:
the vagina belongs to men anyways.
In a nutshell, Uzi wants to argue life begins at consciousness, my argument is life begins at conception. Key word being BEGINS. conception is a necessary stage for human life to develop. To end that development at ANY stage IS ending human life. Any argument suggesting it is not, is smoke and mirrors in an attempt to justify or rationalize that termination.Adams_BJ wrote:
I can't put what I want to write into words, its hard for me to form a good argument between my brain and the page but I can give a general run down and hopefully in the discussion following I can get it all out. That plus I'm at work. SO if it doesn't make sense or seem to have a point just ask me to clarify. Its more of a brain fart than an essay. Mind vomit even
Take uziques argument for life, but remember that the brain doesn't all of a sudden switch on to the fact that things are happening around it the second it pops out. There is a strong belief that talking to the baby or singing to it or stimulating it while it is in the womb is beneficial. It starts learning while it is still in the womb. That's where stingray's argument comes in. He was saying that his premature child reacted to the bath etc. That's because everything was put in place while still in the womg. He/she had the capacity already in their body/brain to be able to react to the world. Just because he/she was 8 weeks early doesn't mean it was incabable of everything, it just takes a little more care.
Maybe some of you have heard of visual memory. Everything you see around you, you didn't necessarily recognise the first time you saw it, your brain had to learn what it is. I watched a documentary last night, and one of the parts of it they were doing experiments on babies with the concave mask illusion. Sure the segment wasn't about necessarily about babies reacting to the world in which lowing is (this is getting to lowings argument bear with me), but showing that babies will recognise faces, without conciously realising that they have. Which I believe was lowings argument. That just because it doesn't "know" its learning doesn't mean it isn't learning. At an incredibly advanced pace, by the way. Anyway as I said the documentary isn't based on this subject but more on the fact that what the eye's see isn't exactly what the brain "sees". Interesting show and you can ask me to expand on this point, probably has a lot to do with this subject now that I think about it but not part of my brain fart right now.
So basically I think my point is kind of an expansion on uziques. Lowing seems to be countering uziques argument with it only becomes "concious" (I use the term lightly and not going to use more words again because of work) out of the brain, when it has the tools while still in the womn, ie premie baby, but only after a certain point.
Or something, please please please I know im not making sense just ask me about individual things I should be a little more clear.
i bet you never realized you were a cannibalSturgeon wrote:
Using that absurd rationale wasting sperm is ending human life...
I agree. The line should be drawn somewhere for legal reasons, but that's taking it to extremes.Sturgeon wrote:
Using that absurd rationale wasting sperm is ending human life...
who used the rationale that wasting sperm is ending human life?Sturgeon wrote:
Using that absurd rationale wasting sperm is ending human life...
It's kind of the unavoidable consequence of saying that human life legally begins at conception.lowing wrote:
who used the rationale that wasting sperm is ending human life?Sturgeon wrote:
Using that absurd rationale wasting sperm is ending human life...
only if you are dumb enough to suggest a sperm develops into human life.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
It's kind of the unavoidable consequence of saying that human life legally begins at conception.lowing wrote:
who used the rationale that wasting sperm is ending human life?Sturgeon wrote:
Using that absurd rationale wasting sperm is ending human life...
Well, even when intentionally conceiving, billions of sperm will die. Even if someone never ejaculates in their life, sperm would die. There's not enough eggs on the planet to ensure every sperm conceives from even one ejaculation.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I agree. The line should be drawn somewhere for legal reasons, but that's taking it to extremes.Sturgeon wrote:
Using that absurd rationale wasting sperm is ending human life...
Unless, of course, you want to try millions of teenage boys for massacring untold billions in their sleep.
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only if you are dumb enough to suggest a sperm develops into human life.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
It's kind of the unavoidable consequence of saying that human life legally begins at conception.lowing wrote:
who used the rationale that wasting sperm is ending human life?
Well, now we know.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
..................................................lowing wrote:
only if you are dumb enough to suggest a sperm develops into human life.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
It's kind of the unavoidable consequence of saying that human life legally begins at conception.
LoLUzique wrote:
onanism is a cult of death
oh. now i get why the little hats on their heads . . .Uzique wrote:
seriously it says in the torah that the worst sin a jew can commit, out of everything, is spilling his seed
i think that makes coitus interruptus the equivalent of a cockslap to the face of yahweh
..............annnnnnnnnnddddd that is not what I saidunnamednewbie13 wrote:
..................................................lowing wrote:
only if you are dumb enough to suggest a sperm develops into human life.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
It's kind of the unavoidable consequence of saying that human life legally begins at conception.
cmon guys, lowing is right. Sperm itself won't grow into a baby, it takes a sperm and an egg.lowing wrote:
..............annnnnnnnnnddddd that is not what I saidunnamednewbie13 wrote:
..................................................lowing wrote:
only if you are dumb enough to suggest a sperm develops into human life.
lol spooge gobblereleven bravo wrote:
i bet you never realized you were a cannibalSturgeon wrote:
Using that absurd rationale wasting sperm is ending human life...
I'd say it's murder, first degree murder.eleven bravo wrote:
yes
are you dumb or something?DrunkFace wrote:
So a miscarriage is manslaughter?