As in the media only heard about it a few days ago.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Most of the people in Abu Ghraib were innocent IIRC.lowing wrote:
How can this be in the trial stage right now, and the story "just broke"? It is downplayed, though it is far more atrocious than anything that happened in Abu Ghraib. Even if they did the exact same thing in Abu Ghraib, at least they would have done it to prisoners and not innocent civilians.Spark wrote:
The story only broke a few days ago...
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Right, this is already in trial and the media never heard about it.Spark wrote:
As in the media only heard about it a few days ago.
Well maybe they were trying to keep it, y'know, private?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Spark, all ya gotta do is explain why this story is downplayed during the Obama administration while Bush was crucified for a story that was unarguably far less atrocious. Like it or not there is an inconsistency in the coverages. Why?Spark wrote:
Well maybe they were trying to keep it, y'know, private?
lowing wrote:
Bush was crucified for a story that was unarguably far less atrocious
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translation: I disagree, but can't figure out why.Dilbert_X wrote:
lowing wrote:
Bush was crucified for a story that was unarguably far less atrocious
Show your working on how you reached the 'unarguable' conclusion.
(I already regret writing that)
(I already regret writing that)
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The reasons have already been given in the thread, and they seem reasonable to me.lowing wrote:
Spark, all ya gotta do is explain why this story is downplayed during the Obama administration while Bush was crucified for a story that was unarguably far less atrocious. Like it or not there is an inconsistency in the coverages. Why?Spark wrote:
Well maybe they were trying to keep it, y'know, private?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Well I guess it really is all opinion. If you think death squads going around dragging innocent civilians out of their homes and killing them and posing for photos just for your amusement is no worse than posing with a prisoner with a bag on their head, so be it.Dilbert_X wrote:
Show your working on how you reached the 'unarguable' conclusion.
(I already regret writing that)
Afaik the pictures from Abu Ghraib never demonized Bush but rather the soldiers that took them, I have a hard time linking those pictures back then with Bush and I see no reason to link these new pictures with Obama ...lowing wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/21/us-army-kill-team-afghanistan-posed-pictures-murdered-civilians
Found this on the net along with a question: Where is the outrage?
Pictures of Abu Ghraib came to define Iraq and demonized Bush for the liberals. Those were pictures of soldiers posing in front of prisoners.
There pictures are of soldiers posing in front of dead civilians they had killed as part of Obama's Afghanistan. Now, where are the liberals with their outrage and disdain for Obama? Where is the media crucifying the president?
Can't remember anyone else on this forum blaming Bush back then either ...
and the phrase Obamas Afghanistan?? ... really?
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Ummm the reason has been given that Japan is grabbing headlines, the response was, this is already in trial and has been long before Japan.Spark wrote:
The reasons have already been given in the thread, and they seem reasonable to me.lowing wrote:
Spark, all ya gotta do is explain why this story is downplayed during the Obama administration while Bush was crucified for a story that was unarguably far less atrocious. Like it or not there is an inconsistency in the coverages. Why?Spark wrote:
Well maybe they were trying to keep it, y'know, private?
the reason has been given, the story just broke, the media didn't know. Again this is already in trial, how is it you think the media didn't know or didn't hear?
Did you not see FEOS's post?
Because no one told them? How is this difficult to understand? The media are not an omnipotent information-gathering force.Again this is already in trial, how is it you think the media didn't know or didn't hear?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Many people did, including me.Varegg wrote:
Afaik the pictures from Abu Ghraib never demonized Bush but rather the soldiers that took them, I have a hard time linking those pictures back then with Bush and I see no reason to link these new pictures with Obama ...
Can't remember anyone else on this forum blaming Bush back then either .
Bush and Rumsfeld's 'gloves off' instructions, specific approval of torture etc etc.
The people at Abu Ghraib were convinced they were acting on instructions.
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http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 3#p2633343Varegg wrote:
Afaik the pictures from Abu Ghraib never demonized Bush but rather the soldiers that took them, I have a hard time linking those pictures back then with Bush and I see no reason to link these new pictures with Obama ...lowing wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/21/us-army-kill-team-afghanistan-posed-pictures-murdered-civilians
Found this on the net along with a question: Where is the outrage?
Pictures of Abu Ghraib came to define Iraq and demonized Bush for the liberals. Those were pictures of soldiers posing in front of prisoners.
There pictures are of soldiers posing in front of dead civilians they had killed as part of Obama's Afghanistan. Now, where are the liberals with their outrage and disdain for Obama? Where is the media crucifying the president?
Can't remember anyone else on this forum blaming Bush back then either ...
and the phrase Obamas Afghanistan?? ... really?
well this, after a quick search, see no reason that I could not find any more. Can't be bothered to search really.
sorry if you fail to recall how Bush was blamed for absolutely everything that happened.
lol yeah ok, the media never heard about a trial where soldiers formed a death squad and went around killing innocent people. Well I guess I see no holes in that argument.Spark wrote:
Did you not see FEOS's post?Because no one told them? How is this difficult to understand? The media are not an omnipotent information-gathering force.Again this is already in trial, how is it you think the media didn't know or didn't hear?
The Bush administration was rightfully blamed for lots of things but that's another debate ... I never blamed him for Abu Ghraib though ...
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Well I don't recall calling YOU out specifically in that charge. Doesn't mean the Bush administration didn't get blamed or feel the heat from the story.Varegg wrote:
The Bush administration was rightfully blamed for lots of things but that's another debate ... I never blamed him for Abu Ghraib though ...
Well they have now. Geez drop the retarded conspiracy arguments. They're annoying and puerile. And read FEOS's post, he gave a perfectly good explanation.lowing wrote:
lol yeah ok, the media never heard about a trial where soldiers formed a death squad and went around killing innocent people. Well I guess I see no holes in that argument.Spark wrote:
Did you not see FEOS's post?Because no one told them? How is this difficult to understand? The media are not an omnipotent information-gathering force.Again this is already in trial, how is it you think the media didn't know or didn't hear?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Never said a thing about conspiracy, I charge blatant bias.Spark wrote:
Well they have now. Geez drop the retarded conspiracy arguments. They're annoying and puerile. And read FEOS's post, he gave a perfectly good explanation.lowing wrote:
lol yeah ok, the media never heard about a trial where soldiers formed a death squad and went around killing innocent people. Well I guess I see no holes in that argument.Spark wrote:
Did you not see FEOS's post?
Because no one told them? How is this difficult to understand? The media are not an omnipotent information-gathering force.
and in view of the difference in coverage of the 2 stories, it is hard to ignore that.
And I'm sure this isn't exactly good news for Obamas administration either ...lowing wrote:
Well I don't recall calling YOU out specifically in that charge. Doesn't mean the Bush administration didn't get blamed or feel the heat from the story.Varegg wrote:
The Bush administration was rightfully blamed for lots of things but that's another debate ... I never blamed him for Abu Ghraib though ...
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Well maybe if you read FEOS's post you'd see the two situations are a long way from identical.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Really? how can ya tell?Varegg wrote:
And I'm sure this isn't exactly good news for Obamas administration either ...lowing wrote:
Well I don't recall calling YOU out specifically in that charge. Doesn't mean the Bush administration didn't get blamed or feel the heat from the story.Varegg wrote:
The Bush administration was rightfully blamed for lots of things but that's another debate ... I never blamed him for Abu Ghraib though ...
Are Fox ranting about this now that Obama is President? No? Are they biased?lowing wrote:
Never said a thing about conspiracy, I charge blatant bias..
Abu Ghraib was 10,000 times bigger than a few rogue grunts, and directly traceable back to Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney.
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Quite simply because it wouldn't be good news for any administration ...lowing wrote:
Really? how can ya tell?Varegg wrote:
And I'm sure this isn't exactly good news for Obamas administration either ...lowing wrote:
Well I don't recall calling YOU out specifically in that charge. Doesn't mean the Bush administration didn't get blamed or feel the heat from the story.
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