13/f/taiwan
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i find it funny when non-americans care more about trivial american tabloid junk than americans. is australlia really that boring?
KEN-JENNINGS
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dilbert's a champion of human rights.  And that includes the human right to get your dick wet before you're married.  No institution public or private shall infringe on this most basic of rights.
Poseidon
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FEOS wrote:

It's a private school. They can do what they want.

We get it. It involves religion. You don't like religion. So you stir the pot. So not predictable at all.
Yep. I mean, I think it's pretty ridiculous... but it IS a private school. Something along the lines of this happened at BC a couple years ago.

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regio … position=1

Some Boston College professors and students are raising a holy ruckus over the Catholic school’s return to its religious roots by hanging crucifixes in all its classrooms, calling the move “offensive” and a break from the Jesuit tradition of tolerance.
You choose to go to this school. Nobody forces you. It is a private, catholic school (or in the OP's case, a mormon school). Sorry if you don't like it, but you can suck it up or go to a different school.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
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Yah, so the guy signed away his right to bang mormons and failed.  Tough luck kid.
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13/f/taiwan wrote:

i find it funny when non-americans care more about trivial american tabloid junk than americans. is australlia really that boring?
I was just interested to see how readily some people would give up freedoms most of us assume are non-negotiable.

How would it be if he had to agree not to own a firearm, or vote, for the duration of his college course?
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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Last I heard pre-marital sex was not a constitutional right, whereas owning a firearm is.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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13/f/taiwan wrote:

i find it funny when non-americans dilbert care more about trivial american tabloid junk than americans. is australlia dilberts life really that boring?
fixed.
Dilbert_X
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The constitution doesn't specifically say people have a right to breathe air or look up at the sky.

If its not a specific crime then its a basic freedom I would have thought.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-03-06 00:12:48)

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jaymz9350
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Dilbert_X wrote:

The constitution doesn't specifically say people have a right to breathe air or look up at the sky.

If its not a specific crime then its a basic freedom I would have thought.
So if someone signs a Non Disclosure Agreement and tells the  world everything confidential they know they can't be fired or sued since they have freedom of speech?  Also I am free to drink all the alcohol I want, but if I show up at work drunk guess how long I have a job.
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

The constitution doesn't specifically say people have a right to breathe air or look up at the sky.

If its not a specific crime then its a basic freedom I would have thought.
so many hole in that opinion I don't know where to begin
Dilbert_X
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jaymz9350 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

The constitution doesn't specifically say people have a right to breathe air or look up at the sky.

If its not a specific crime then its a basic freedom I would have thought.
So if someone signs a Non Disclosure Agreement and tells the  world everything confidential they know they can't be fired or sued since they have freedom of speech?  Also I am free to drink all the alcohol I want, but if I show up at work drunk guess how long I have a job.
Again, this isn't work related, doesn't relate to conduct at a work site, during work hours or which affects the employer in any way.
It relates to a University, conduct outside the University, outside study time and which affects the University not at all.

Also, again,  the student is paying the university for a service, not being paid for providing a service.

lowing wrote:

so many hole in that opinion I don't know where to begin
Maybe its just you're using a different definition of freedom.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-03-06 04:33:21)

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13/f/taiwan
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Constitutional rights are limited dilbert. If you're so interested in the Constitution and our legal system go take a Constitutional Law or American Legal System classes.
Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

13/f/taiwan wrote:

i find it funny when non-americans care more about trivial american tabloid junk than americans. is australlia really that boring?
I was just interested to see how readily some people would give up freedoms most of us assume are non-negotiable.

How would it be if he had to agree not to own a firearm, or vote, for the duration of his college course?
Considering that firearms are banned on every single campus across the entire nation...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

13/f/taiwan wrote:

i find it funny when non-americans care more about trivial american tabloid junk than americans. is australlia really that boring?
I was just interested to see how readily some people would give up freedoms most of us assume are non-negotiable.

How would it be if he had to agree not to own a firearm, or vote, for the duration of his college course?
Considering that firearms are banned on every single campus across the entire nation...
There's that. And not everyone on a college campus can vote. But besides that, Dilbert's theory is rock-solid.
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ghettoperson
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Frankly, I think it's pretty commendable of the university to hold their athletes to the same standards as everyone else. Any other school would have kicked out a regular student, but turned a blind eye to someone on a sports team doing it.

Having said that, I'm amazed BYU get any decent athletes there at all given their policies.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
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ghettoperson wrote:

Frankly, I think it's pretty commendable of the university to hold their athletes to the same standards as everyone else. Any other school would have kicked out a regular student, but turned a blind eye to someone on a sports team doing it.

Having said that, I'm amazed BYU get any decent athletes there at all given their policies.
BYU is pretty fucking awful at sports. They did graduate this chap though:

https://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/12/1275/JRVT000Z/posters/steve-young-class-of-2005-hall-of-fame-composite.jpg
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Stingray24
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Maybe its just you're using a different definition of freedom.
Freedom includes the choice to set aside freedom voluntarily.
jord
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Stingray24 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Maybe its just you're using a different definition of freedom.
Freedom includes the choice to set aside freedom voluntarily.
Oh, right.
13urnzz
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ghettoperson wrote:

Having said that, I'm amazed BYU get any decent athletes there at all given their policies.
https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/21025/ss/byu_utah_panties.gif
Dilbert_X
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

13/f/taiwan wrote:

i find it funny when non-americans care more about trivial american tabloid junk than americans. is australlia really that boring?
I was just interested to see how readily some people would give up freedoms most of us assume are non-negotiable.

How would it be if he had to agree not to own a firearm, or vote, for the duration of his college course?
Considering that firearms are banned on every single campus across the entire nation...
I said own, not bring onto campus, try to keep up.
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Dilbert_X
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Stingray24 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Maybe its just you're using a different definition of freedom.
Freedom includes the choice to set aside freedom voluntarily.
This is the point I'm making, and where I see the problem.

Its not really entirely 'voluntary' is it really?
Where do you draw the line?
I realise its a 'commercial' organisation, but then isn't it tax exempt and therefore effectively get a govt subsidy?

Its a slippery slope and I'm surprised no-one is bothered.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-03-06 23:30:27)

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13urnzz
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Its not really entirely 'voluntary' is it really?
Where do you draw the line?
I realise its a 'commercial' organisation, but then isn't it tax exempt and therefore effectively get a govt subsidy?

Its a slippery slope and I'm surprised no-one is bothered.
it's not a "'commercial' organisation", it's a private institution. it is tax exempt.

going to such a school is a privilege, not a right. you have to be accepted. at byu they also have an honor code, which each and every student signs, along with their application.

you are showing the willfulness of a troll, to be told this over and over, yet belabor the point.

Good day, sir.
FEOS
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burnzz is spot on. We'll go ahead and close this (again--my apologies for thinking this might become something positive). Maybe that will give Dilbert time to read everything here and learn a bit.
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Varegg
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Think what Dilbert is referring to is how the student have signed away a part of his freedom and he questions if it is okay or not to be expelled for that very reason ...
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FEOS
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Hey! Quit posting in a closed topic!
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