BF2S Forums Egypt Unrest.

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I like this clip because you can actually hear the crowd reacting as they receive the news of Mubarak stepping down. I'm not going to pretend to know where Egypt is headed ... but it's got to mean something on a human level when you here Bolton say "that is the cry of freedom".

Viva la liberte

-Sh1fty- wrote:

I like what Obama said, you don't see this kind of thing every day. This is quite a historic moment we're living through.

yeah just like when Obama was elected, on the banner of "hope and change" ( fuck they even gave him a nobel prize for hope), people were emotional and thought a bright new world had emerged. Then reality sat in and things couldn't be worse.

Gunna be the same thing in Egypt, everyone is crying over their "victory" and new found "freedom", yet reality is, they probably just went from the frying pan into the fire, just like the US.

Reciprocity wrote:

lowing wrote:

Then reality sat in and things couldn't be worse.

lol

Sill in Afghanistan, still in Iraq, everything you despised about Bush os still US policy now, add to it an even greater and deeper deficit and govt. intervention. So if you disagree and think that Obama is shining beacon of light, please, do tell.

lowing wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

lowing wrote:

Then reality sat in and things couldn't be worse.

lol

Sill in Afghanistan, still in Iraq, everything you despised about Bush os still US policy now, add to it an even greater and deeper deficit and govt. intervention. So if you disagree and think that Obama is shining beacon of light, please, do tell.

You forgot about the patriot act.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

FOAD.

You guys (well, some) are the one's that didn't want this happening. There was only one way you were gonna stop it. Shit. Don't get mad at me when I say it as it is. The US has a monopoly on violence with countries like this. So it could do it. Not that it wouldn't hurt massively. But if people hold views like Brinson about the hegemony and keeping dictators in power, and the people down. For the sake of the nation. Then they should be able to put that sort of talk into action.

I'm all eyes and ears for a country trying to build an empire, they can try. I'd like to see how well it would go.

Christ, you have to be trolling. You can't possibly be this stupid.

Nope.

There's many people out there with the view that the US needs to do everything within its power to keep the status quo. To keep certain people/countries where they belong. No matter what, as long as it keeps the US standing good. Which is fundamentally a reasonable (but crazy, evil, hellish) standpoint for someone in any country to have. It's more realistic for people in the US than most others, because it can do it.

All I'm saying is how it is for the people who hold opinions like that. It means war, lots of it. I don't know why you guys are getting so uncomfortable/defensive about it. That's how it is. You can't get your empire/hegemony without being crazy.

lowing wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

I like what Obama said, you don't see this kind of thing every day. This is quite a historic moment we're living through.

Gunna be the same thing in Egypt, everyone is crying over their "victory" and new found "freedom", yet reality is, they probably just went from the frying pan into the fire, just like the US.

Even if it is possible. All you come across as is a whining butthurt bitter old man

I think this is bigger than all the nonsense surrounding Obama, the US is stuck in its two party system and nothing big will ever happen there. So you can't really compare it.

11.04am: There are protests today in Yemen and Algeria, inspired by the Egyptian and Tunisian revolutions.

Thousands of demonstrators in the Yemeni capital Sana have clashed with government supporters. The protesters chanted: "The people want the fall of the government. A Yemeni revolution after the Egyptian revolution."

Human Rights Watch said the authorities detained 10 anti-government protesters amid celebrations over Mubarak's departure last night.

The group said the protest turned violent when hundreds of men armed with knives, sticks, and assault rifles attacked the protesters as security forces stood by.

"The Yemeni security forces have a duty to protect peaceful protesters," said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. "In this case, security forces seem to have organized armed men to attack the protesters."

Meanhile in Algeria, thousands of riot police have been deployed in the capital, Algiers, to stop an anti-government demonstration from gathering momentum.

Organisers of the anti-government march say several thousand people have gathered in the city centre. About 50 protesters managed to reach the square where the protest was due to take place but they were surrounded by hundreds of police and some were arrested, Reuters reported.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/20 … ts#block-4

Didn't compare, I said they were probably going from the frying pan to the fire, IE their own frying pan into their own fire, nothing to do with our problems. The only comparison I waas trying to make was the sense of euphoria that the US felt after the election. Turned out to be more of the same bullshit

The military is now in control, does that really sound like freedom and victory and improvement to you?

Last edited by lowing (2011-02-12 06:31:47)

JohnG@lt wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

FOAD.

You guys (well, some) are the one's that didn't want this happening. There was only one way you were gonna stop it. Shit. Don't get mad at me when I say it as it is. The US has a monopoly on violence with countries like this. So it could do it. Not that it wouldn't hurt massively. But if people hold views like Brinson about the hegemony and keeping dictators in power, and the people down. For the sake of the nation. Then they should be able to put that sort of talk into action.

I'm all eyes and ears for a country trying to build an empire, they can try. I'd like to see how well it would go.

Christ, you have to be trolling. You can't possibly be this stupid.

stfu if you have no input.

Mekstizzle wrote:

lowing wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

I like what Obama said, you don't see this kind of thing every day. This is quite a historic moment we're living through.

Gunna be the same thing in Egypt, everyone is crying over their "victory" and new found "freedom", yet reality is, they probably just went from the frying pan into the fire, just like the US.

Even if it is possible. All you come across as is a whining butthurt bitter old man

I think this is bigger than all the nonsense surrounding Obama, the US is stuck in its two party system and nothing big will ever happen there. So you can't really compare it.

Far from bitter, and wayyy far from buthurt. Again I was comparing the euphoria after a "victory" I think it will be a pipe dream, just like it was for our "hope and change".

I think you know that that is what I meant.

Mekstizzle wrote:

You guys (well, some) are the one's that didn't want this happening.

who?  got any names (lets just start at 1000 people for now)?  examples?

no of course you do not.  which is why your babble in this thread makes people think you have the mental capacity of a bird.

Mekstizzle wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

You guys (well, some) are the one's that didn't want this happening. There was only one way you were gonna stop it. Shit. Don't get mad at me when I say it as it is. The US has a monopoly on violence with countries like this. So it could do it. Not that it wouldn't hurt massively. But if people hold views like Brinson about the hegemony and keeping dictators in power, and the people down. For the sake of the nation. Then they should be able to put that sort of talk into action.

I'm all eyes and ears for a country trying to build an empire, they can try. I'd like to see how well it would go.

Christ, you have to be trolling. You can't possibly be this stupid.

Nope.

There's many people out there with the view that the US needs to do everything within its power to keep the status quo. To keep certain people/countries where they belong. No matter what, as long as it keeps the US standing good. Which is fundamentally a reasonable (but crazy, evil, hellish) standpoint for someone in any country to have. It's more realistic for people in the US than most others, because it can do it.

All I'm saying is how it is for the people who hold opinions like that. It means war, lots of it. I don't know why you guys are getting so uncomfortable/defensive about it. That's how it is. You can't get your empire/hegemony without being crazy.

A) We don't have an empire so you can stop quoting Lenin. We don't fit inside of your Leninist world view. Sorry.

B) The primary reason any country anywhere in the world wishes to have stability is because stability is necessary for trade. The Middle East just happens to have the poor luck to be sitting on the worlds largest deposits of what we in the industrialized world require for our societies to function, oil. This doesn't make us evil. This doesn't make oil evil either. It's just a fact of life. If the price of oil were to fluctuate all over the place because of disrupted production or war or whatever else that also means the prices of every other good we purchase would fluctuate with it. You can't have economic growth without stability. They are reliant on one another. So, if that means my country promotes stability as its foreign policy I'm all for it. If the people living in the regions find their governments intolerable, they can either rise up like Egyptians and Tunisians did (neither of which possesses oil) or they can move. I'm not going to shed any tears for people living in oppressive nations because it's their own choice. They're adults and possess free will.

If we were empire building we would've invaded Venezuela and kicked out Chavez. Or we would've annexed Mexico or any number of other things. So fuck off with that imperialistic America bullshit. The only time we've ever been guilty of that is when we fought the Spanish in 1898 and took over the Philippines and Cuba (neither of which we possess today).

Kmar wrote:

My point was failed European colonialism during the 19th and beginning of the 20th century still, to this day, has an impact on what is going on in the ME.

Yeah, Britain fucked up:
Middle East
South Africa
Far East.

Go us!