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Mekstizzle wrote:

I just think it's always so dumb when Americans get pissy about other countries trying to move forward

the fuck is wrong with you?  damn near EVERY SINGLE NEWS CAST AND PAPER SUPPORTS THE REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!

my god you are really that crazy imam arent you?

They loot, riot, beat people and plunder, and still People are so patient, The Tea Party people should have started some fires I am guessing. Maybe obozo would have listened. To late for the Iranians. You see were his loyalties lie now.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

The Tea Party people cleaned up after themselves.  Civilized Protest?  My ass.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 03900.html
Sure they got it all?

god damn traffic was a mess those days

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

They loot, riot, beat people and plunder, and still People are so patient, The Tea Party people should have started some fires I am guessing. Maybe obozo would have listened. To late for the Iranians. You see were his loyalties lie now.

Its the first page of Despot 101, when the population revolts open the prisons and release the inmates, then the protests can be blamed on 'criminals' and brutally put down.

I guess anonymous has been targeting Egyptian government websites. .. since when does downloading and running a program (most likely LOIC) make you a hacker? Stupid Mainstream Media doesn't know proper lingo .

And btw, LOIC logs your IP addy guys.. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/tag/loic/

The F.B.I. said last week that it had executed 40 search warrants “throughout the United States” in connection with that campaign. The strikes by Anonymous, known as “distributed denial of service” attacks, could lead to criminal charges that carry 10-year prison sentences, the F.B.I. said. Arrests have been made and equipment seized in Britain, the Netherlands, Sweden, Germany and France, according to British and American officials. They declined to provide further details.

Cybargs wrote:

It wasn't a "full blown war." Most Americans at the time didn't give a fuck about the revolutionary war. The brits lost since htey couldnt keep up the support of the populous and used Hessian "mercs" (King George was of Hessian blood so not really mercs i guess). Brits burned down villages and sure there were a lot of "patriots" who terrorised loyalist supporters but it wasn't necessarily a full blown war. Civil War was not even about slavery, it was more about state rights.

Learn USH mekbunny.

You just contradicted yourself so many times in that one post It's not even worth bothering with.

Mekstizzle wrote:

I've seen hardly any Americans who aren't bitching about terrorists/crazy muslims and how they don't like these protests.

lol

11 Bravo wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

I've seen hardly any Americans who aren't bitching about terrorists/crazy muslims and how they don't like these protests.

lol

Turquoise wrote:

Personally, I've seen that most Americans I know take a stance similar to my own in that they support the revolts, but they worry what government will take Mubarak's place.

Why would Americans be worried what takes its place? Is America a militarily weak nation bordering Egypt or something?? Are Americans averse to self determination and 'power to the people' in the context of a nation of desperate underemployed, underfed subjects of a kleptocrat, just looking for some bread and a job? Or is the real reason that they don't want true Arab sentiment electing leaders because the middle east is where a large percentage of the world's oil comes from and decades of mistreatment by western nations (backing brutal dictators/stooges, overthrowing democratically elected leaders, invading nations on shoddy grounds or simply 'in the national interest' (Suez)) has utterly alienated the Arab street from the west? That's not to say Arabs hate the west either. It may shock a lot of people to realise that they want all the things we have: TVs, iPhones, the internet, nice cars, good food, etc. Perhaps if we treated that part of the world with parity of esteem rather than viewing the region as 'peoples we must exert control over' we might foster better relations with them.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2011-02-03 13:25:03)

Trotskygrad wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Personally, I've seen that most Americans I know take a stance similar to my own in that they support the revolts, but they worry what government will take Mubarak's place.

Why would Americans be worried what takes its place? Is America a militarily weak nation bordering Egypt or something?? Are Americans averse to self determination and 'power to the people' in the context of a nation of desperate underemployed, underfed subjects of a kleptocrat, just looking for some bread and a job?

because it might be Anti-American, ofc

Which effectively equates to trading principles for self interest, which I recognise of course is part and parcel of reality.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2011-02-03 13:25:37)

CameronPoe wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Personally, I've seen that most Americans I know take a stance similar to my own in that they support the revolts, but they worry what government will take Mubarak's place.

Why would Americans be worried what takes its place? Is America a militarily weak nation bordering Egypt or something?? Are Americans averse to self determination and 'power to the people' in the context of a nation of desperate underemployed, underfed subjects of a kleptocrat, just looking for some bread and a job? Or is the real reason that they don't want true Arab sentiment electing leaders because the middle east is where a large percentage of the world's oil comes from and decades of mistreatment by western nations (backing brutal dictators/stooges, overthrowing democratically elected leaders, invading nations on shoddy grounds or simply 'in the national interest' (Suez)) has utterly alienated the Arab street from the west? That's not to say Arabs hate the west either. It may shock a lot of people to realise that they want all the things we have: TVs, iPhones, the internet, nice cars, good food, etc. Perhaps if we treated that part of the world with parity of esteem rather than viewing the region as 'peoples we must exert control over' we might foster better relations with them.

While I agree with you that our history of supporting dictators hasn't helped us in the long run and that we should stop doing this sort of thing, I think it's also fair to be concerned about whether or not countries like Egypt and Yemen end up with Iranian-style theocratic pseudo-republics.

Even if we stopped supporting dictators and entering foolish wars, this form of concern would be relevant with regard to trade interests and regional stability.

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Personally, I've seen that most Americans I know take a stance similar to my own in that they support the revolts, but they worry what government will take Mubarak's place.

Why would Americans be worried what takes its place? Is America a militarily weak nation bordering Egypt or something?? Are Americans averse to self determination and 'power to the people' in the context of a nation of desperate underemployed, underfed subjects of a kleptocrat, just looking for some bread and a job? Or is the real reason that they don't want true Arab sentiment electing leaders because the middle east is where a large percentage of the world's oil comes from and decades of mistreatment by western nations (backing brutal dictators/stooges, overthrowing democratically elected leaders, invading nations on shoddy grounds or simply 'in the national interest' (Suez)) has utterly alienated the Arab street from the west? That's not to say Arabs hate the west either. It may shock a lot of people to realise that they want all the things we have: TVs, iPhones, the internet, nice cars, good food, etc. Perhaps if we treated that part of the world with parity of esteem rather than viewing the region as 'peoples we must exert control over' we might foster better relations with them.

Well I think Turquoise spoke out of turn. Truth is, most Americans don't give a flying fuck what happens to Egypt, as long as whatever happens does not cost us at the gas pump or force longer lines at airport security. Indeed the vast majority of Americans last week, had never heard the name Hosni Mubarak, much like the vast majority of us never heard of Osama Bin Laden before 911. We are talking about a nation of citizens so self absorbed and stupid that a significant percentage of us has no idea what the significance of DEC 7th 41 is, or what the 3 branches of our govt. are.

Ok, well, let me rephrase.  The majority of educated Americans I know feel the way that I posted.