HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|5723|Bolingbrook, Illinois
if you're going to tell him to:

"then the start of one day can be "squats - bench press - bent over row" and then the next workout day you can do "squats - military press - deadlift"

just direct him to the 5x5 workout on stronglifts.com...
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5418|Sydney
I tried that earlier...

e: that may have been someone else, I forget now.

Last edited by Jaekus (2011-01-25 19:12:29)

nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6563|New Haven, CT

Jaekus wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

Here is my restructured workout:

Monday: Full body
Tuesday: Rest
Wednesday: Full body+Plyo/HIIT
Thursday: Rest
Friday: Full body
Saturday/Sunday: Cardio/Plyo/HIIT on one of two

Exercises:

Squat
Bench Press
Deadlift
Bent-Over Row
Overhead Dumbbell Press/Arnold Press
Lat Pulls
Bicep Curls
Skullcrushers+Close Grip Bench Press
Calf Raises
Abs

I haven't decided on the sets and reps yet because I'm not sure what my goal is at this point. Input on the routine, and the difference between the two shoulder exercises, would be appreciated.
Yeah I agree with PV. If you add in military presses, then the start of one day can be "squats - bench press - bent over row" and then the next workout day you can do "squats - military press - deadlift". On the day you do your military press you wouldn't need to do the arnold press as well. Military presses are probably a little better than the DB press, or so I've been told. Arnold presses are great though. I do both exercises, on different days from each other.

That's the main reason I have A and B workout days, so I can split my compounds up. I've tried doing them on the same day before but by the time you get to the bent over row you're just too exhausted to do it to proper capacity and technique, and thus your workout suffers as a result. The rest looks pretty good, except I'd also move your Wednesday plyo/HIIT to either rest day you have on a Tues or Thurs. The rest looks pretty good though man. Just also watch the close grip bench press, you'll need a fairly lighter weight than you use with the bench press as you'll be getting pretty tired by that stage, and it looks like you're supersetting. Try about half your working weight for it and adjust from there.
So I'd still be getting the full body workout every time, despite alternating lifts?

Jaekus wrote:

I tried that earlier...

e: that may have been someone else, I forget now.
It was you.

Last edited by nukchebi0 (2011-01-25 23:30:53)

Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5418|Sydney
More so over the week.

Mainly, doing squats, deadlifts and bent over rows in the same day is too much, especially if you want to lift heavy. Mainly because doing the deadlifts puts stress on your lower back as well as your hammies. Bent over rows also put stress on your lower back, and to a lesser extent squats. These exercises have different primary muscles they target, but the secondaries get worked almost as hard. I've found if you do bent over rows AND deadlifts, one of these exercises suffers as a result because the strain on the back is a little too much to execute them to full potential. So alternating them between days gives you a bit more energy to hit these exercises well when you get to them. You really want to be able to complete each exercise really well, and have enough recovery between exercise days.

You'd get a bit of a different exercise, but because they're big compounds they're still pushing you pretty damn hard. The best way to do a two routine split is to make an alternating A and B routine, both full body but using some different exercises. A lot of people do this and a lot of full body workouts do this. There's many variations too but the simplest is to do it like this (again, like 5x5)

Week 1:

Monday: A routine
Tuesday: rest/cardio
Wednesday: B routine
Thursday: rest/cardio
Friday: A routine
Saturday rest/cardio
Sunday: rest/cardio

Week 2:

Monday: B routine
Tuesday: rest/cardio
Wednesday: A routine
Thursday: rest/cardio
Friday: B routine
Saturday rest/cardio
Sunday: rest/cardio

So you see, over two weeks you do each routine three times, alternating each time. Also, make sure you have at least one complete rest day, no cardio or anything else. Your body needs it.

If you want to hit your hammies on a day you're not doing deadlifts, doing something like machine leg curls would be good, as it's an isolation exercise. I'd do these after your compounds. Same if you want to do your middle back on days you don't do your bent over rows, do machine rows or single arm rows as they don't work your lower back and leg muscles like deadlifts will.

Does it make sense? And if Zimmer or someone wants to correct anything, I'd appreciate it.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6563|New Haven, CT
Yes, it seems very logical. Here is another revision:

Monday: A
Tuesday: Cardio/Plyo/HIIT
Wednesday: B
Thursday: Rest
Friday: A
Saturday: Cardio/Plyo/HIIT
Sunday: Rest

The subsequent week, obviously, will have A and B reversed.

A:

Squat
Bench Press
Deadlift
Overhead Dumbbell Press
Lat Pulls
Seated Row
Bicep Curls
Skull Crushers+Close Grip Bench Press
Calf Raises
Abs

B:

Squat
Bench Press
Bent Over Row
Military Press
Lat Pulls
Zottman Curls
Tricep Kickbacks
Hamstring Curls
Calf Raises
Abs

The current Ab routine I'm thinking of is 75 leg raises with 50 obliques on each side, or 100 each of crunches and both sides of obliques. Is there something better or more effective for the abs than that?
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5418|Sydney
Looks pretty good to me man.

As for ab exercises, I was following the P90X Ab Ripper routine, but I've let it slide for the past couple weeks. Just been a bit busy and this week has been a bit full on with festival, concert and social commitments, as well as work. I've tried looking for other exercises but there are soooooo many routines and everyone has so many different ideas it's hard to put something that's a definitive one that definitely works better than others. There's a saying though that "abs are made in the kitchen", meaning the only way you truly get abs is through diet and fat loss. If you want defined abs, get your body fat % to single digits. That's more important than the exercises themselves from what I keep reading, but obviously the exercises help, and strengthening your core is a vital part of working out. Thankfully a few of those compounds do strengthen your core (like squats) when done with correct form.
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5418|Sydney

ghettoperson wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

Zimmer made a great post, here it is - http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=138630

In a nutshell (some random pointers really), eat 5-6 smaller meals every day, approx 3 hours apart. Eat approx 1 gram of protein per bodyweight a day (so if you weigh 170lbs, try to eat 170g of protein. This is where supplements can help). ALWAYS eat breakfast. Drink LOTS of water throughout each day, 3 litres or more. Eat carbs before a workout and afterwards, they give you energy. Eat lots of green leafy vegetables, especially at dinner. Chicken has lots of protein, the best source is skinless chicken breasts. When eating carbs, make sure they're whole grains and try to avoid white bread, white rice etc. (it's ok to eat these every now and then, but try to avoid eating them daily).

There are heaps of different diets, and it really comes down to what your goals are. Read Zimmer's post and then come back afterwards.
Yeah I have read that, I was thinking more in terms of specifics that I should be eating for each meal.
Have a browse through some of this, there's some good info here and the people writing them are all pretty buff so I'd say they know what they're on about.

e: link - http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbmainnut.htm

Last edited by Jaekus (2011-01-26 14:43:22)

lrishpride
Member
+68|5388
Been slowly getting back into a decent routine and concentrating on good died. Hurling starts back next week for the next 7 months so that should sort out all cardio work

Can't wait to actually be physically fit again.
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6737

lrishpride wrote:

Been slowly getting back into a decent routine and concentrating on good died. Hurling starts back next week for the next 7 months so that should sort out all cardio work

Can't wait to actually be physically fit again.
that pregnancy was rough, eh?
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6911|UK
a good died?
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5477|Cleveland, Ohio

m3thod wrote:

a good died?
for dinner?  meat or seafood?

Last edited by 11 Bravo (2011-01-26 10:44:53)

Get busy living or get busy dying.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6861|London, England
or you can do both
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5477|Cleveland, Ohio

Mekstizzle wrote:

or you can do both
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PrivateVendetta
I DEMAND XMAS THEME
+704|6431|Roma

HaiBai wrote:

if you're going to tell him to:

"then the start of one day can be "squats - bench press - bent over row" and then the next workout day you can do "squats - military press - deadlift"

just direct him to the 5x5 workout on stronglifts.com...
Shhhhhh....!


Also, definitely gonna have to put the presses on hold till i get home. Pretty sure I'm going to stall next session. Need smaller increments.
2 weeks!
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Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5082|Amsterdam
I did:
mon: Chest and legs
wed: Bi and tri ceps
fri: Back and shoulders

It was my weird starting schedule and i didn;t quite know what i was doing. After that i tried to got 5 times a week, but it was just too much and i got injured.

Now i do:
mon: A
tue: B
thu:A
fri:B

A:
bench press
decline crunches
incline DB press
DB flyes
chinups
curls
pull downs
skull crushers
leg raise/chest dips superset

B:
squats
calf raises
OHP
front raises
lat raises
deadlifts
widegrip chinups
Kampframmer
Esq.
+313|5082|Amsterdam
I can also post the reps/sets if anyone is interested
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6861|London, England
This is a rather dumb question, but what's the best substitute for a bench?
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5418|Sydney
If you don't have a bench, use the floor. Only works for DB exercises though, and isn't as effective.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6861|London, England
That's what I've already been doing, I thought there was something cleverer out there. I'll buy a bench and bar soon enough. Really finding it hard to put on muscle now compared to before, need to start eating more and lifting much more
pirana6
Go Cougs!
+691|6530|Washington St.

Mekstizzle wrote:

This is a rather dumb question, but what's the best substitute for a bench?
I found a box and put a towel over it for cushion. Obv still only works for db's but it helps with presses and flys when your elbows need to go below your back.
HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|5723|Bolingbrook, Illinois

Mekstizzle wrote:

That's what I've already been doing, I thought there was something cleverer out there. I'll buy a bench and bar soon enough. Really finding it hard to put on muscle now compared to before, need to start eating more and lifting much more
use your dinner table
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5418|Sydney
Just buy an incline bench. I picked one up for $40 second hand. Also getting a flat bench is helpful too, as incline benches often come with the leg extension attachment. Again, look for second hand, you can save heaps.
HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|5723|Bolingbrook, Illinois
anyway, does anyone have an opinion on cereal like corn flakes and stuff?
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5941|College Park, MD
corn flakes are shit

Good cereal? Kashi GoLean. It's high in fiber and protein and made of whole grains.
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