No it isn't. It was predicted we'd enter La Nina at this point in time when we were still in the El Niño cycle.EVieira wrote:
La Nina is even harder to prove than global warming...
Um, no. It's one of the more well-known and documented climatic patterns in the world.EVieira wrote:
La Nina is even harder to prove than global warming...
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
It's not all to do with La Nina (although this is a staggeringly powerful one), there are other factors in play too. Although obviously that's the dominating factor.Mekstizzle wrote:
FYI... It's to do with La Nina
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Hilly areas + landslides + densely populated + poor house/construction = large death toll. Its pretty devastating, can't even imagine what it would be like.EVieira wrote:
Maybe its a coincidence, maybe not...Dilbert_X wrote:
Increased rain/snow is an expected consequence of climate change.....JohnG@lt wrote:
I blame global cooling.
In Pictures: Flood ravaged Brazil
Brazil flood deaths rise to 375
What makes it much more deadly in Brazil is that the region where its flooding is a hilly area, so sudden landslides just bury people alive.
While looking for news on Brazil, found this too:
Australia's floods a glimpse of warmer future
Thats been all over the news, looks like lots of large areas have been hit, glad it didn't turn out worse than it has. How bad is it at present?
It has effected 75% of Queensland, and is spreading to NSW as well. People seem to be in good spirits, and are volunteering to help strangers. This might not last forever though as the cleanup will be massive and take months. Emergency services did a very good job so far. Food is in short supply in smaller towns, but once the roads open up this should become less of a problem.
I hope our aussie brethren is ok. I wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to whoop your asses in the next Olympics .
There is a joke about swimming there but I'll leave it alone.
Stay safe.
There is a joke about swimming there but I'll leave it alone.
Stay safe.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Its really terrible, the body count is over 500 now. But just to put something in perspective here, this is no densely populated poor house construction area. For the most part, these were middle class homes.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Hilly areas + landslides + densely populated + poor house/construction = large death toll. Its pretty devastating, can't even imagine what it would be like.EVieira wrote:
Maybe its a coincidence, maybe not...Dilbert_X wrote:
Increased rain/snow is an expected consequence of climate change.....
In Pictures: Flood ravaged Brazil
Brazil flood deaths rise to 375
What makes it much more deadly in Brazil is that the region where its flooding is a hilly area, so sudden landslides just bury people alive.
While looking for news on Brazil, found this too:
Australia's floods a glimpse of warmer future
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
La Niña and El Niño are well documented and researched, just as is global warming. But the rainfall pattern for this summer is much higher than any previous La Niña/El Niño event. Its just as hard to proove La Nina is responsible for this as global warming.FatherTed wrote:
Um, no. It's one of the more well-known and documented climatic patterns in the world.EVieira wrote:
La Nina is even harder to prove than global warming...
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
2010 was a pretty hot year. Tie for the warmest on record according to NOAA
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/201 … record.ars
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/201 … record.ars
Xbone Stormsurgezz
To add to how bad the weather is, last month the floods hit Venezuela and Colombia:
Floods in Colombia affect 2 million people – UNITAR mobilises UNOSAT mapping
Venezuela floods - Estimated deaths in the thousands
Thats some La Niña...
Edited for link fix.
Floods in Colombia affect 2 million people – UNITAR mobilises UNOSAT mapping
Venezuela floods - Estimated deaths in the thousands
Thats some La Niña...
Edited for link fix.
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"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Your Venezuela link is dead. I've been to Caracas, and if only 25 people are dead due to flooding it is a miracle.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
You're right. Got a new link, the death tool was in the thousands. Its just so much mud that they will probably never really know the actual number.Kmar wrote:
Your Venezuela link is dead. I've been to Caracas, and if only 25 people are dead due to flooding it is a miracle.
Venezualan Floods wrote:
"I don't even want to be here, but I have to be," said Lucia, the supervisor in a children's toys and clothes shop called Comic's Mania. "My brother escaped the disaster by a miracle and my husband is a rescue worker - I'm feeling really low." Her husband, a mountaineer and hang-gliding fanatic, saved a six-month-old baby that was buried up to its neck in mud. The rest of the family has not been found, she says.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Why are you talking about a flood 10 years ago? It may be horrible but not really what this is about.
Sorry, my first link was dead so I posted a new one, but from the wrong flood. Here is a good one of the right disaster:Gamematt wrote:
Why are you talking about a flood 10 years ago? It may be horrible but not really what this is about.
http://www.demotix.com/news/532604/cara … -venezuela
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Big thanks to the USA!!!
Oprahs trip to Australia has screened in the US with an intro about the floods in Australia. As a consequence the Flood relief fund has increased by about $20million in one day.
That will help a lot of people in Oz.
Good job America.
Oprahs trip to Australia has screened in the US with an intro about the floods in Australia. As a consequence the Flood relief fund has increased by about $20million in one day.
That will help a lot of people in Oz.
Good job America.
Wow, that's awesome! The other day they said donations had reduced dramatically in Australia after initial contributions were quite high.
Is it true that They have had worse and deeper floods in the past ?
Is it also true that they had relaxed Anti Flood Precautions after listening to " Drought Predictions ! " from the people who used to tell us
" the Earth is Warming " ?
Where can we donate BTW ?
Is it also true that they had relaxed Anti Flood Precautions after listening to " Drought Predictions ! " from the people who used to tell us
" the Earth is Warming " ?
Where can we donate BTW ?
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I wish once some one would say. " Sorry we were wrong It is not getting Warmer "Dilbert_X wrote:
Increased rain/snow is an expected consequence of climate change.....JohnG@lt wrote:
I blame global cooling.
It would be a big step in trying to sell " Climate change. "
I heard the Ice Caps on Mars have lost overall area too. Anyone know what that's about ?
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This was going to be the worst on record but it ended up coming in slightly lower than the 1974 floods. It of course affected a lot more people due to population growth over the past 36 years, and as a result the financial damage is massive - probably the worst in Australian history. I heard on the radio the other day it's estimated somewhere between $10 - $30 billion, but they said it's very, very hard to make a good estimate as there are so many factors to consider. So I'd guess at this stage the true figure would lie somewhere between those two numbers.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Is it true that They have had worse and deeper floods in the past ?
Is it also true that they had relaxed Anti Flood Precautions after listening to " Drought Predictions ! " from the people who used to tell us
" the Earth is Warming " ?
Where can we donate BTW ?
To donate, go to this link - http://www.qld.gov.au/floods/donate.html
Correct on both counts.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Is it true that They have had worse and deeper floods in the past ?
Is it also true that they had relaxed Anti Flood Precautions after listening to " Drought Predictions ! " from the people who used to tell us
" the Earth is Warming " ?
You see the floods in 74' were the worst on record. And thought to be a once in 100 year occourance.
However, with the more severe weather patterns of the last decade or so, we've had another one.
Are you enjoying the record level highs and lows in America at the moment?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/01/nyreg … ummer.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6033CJ20100104
2010 seems like it was pretty extreme on both ends of the scale... Hows this year looking so far for New York in terms of cold weather?
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Well what do you use them for?
For those that dont come to the AU Chats:
Me doing my part by standing around.
Me doing my part by standing around.
noice 
Anything to help the koalas.Burwhale wrote:
Big thanks to the USA!!!
Oprahs trip to Australia has screened in the US with an intro about the floods in Australia. As a consequence the Flood relief fund has increased by about $20million in one day.
That will help a lot of people in Oz.
Good job America.