Holy crap that thing has better specs than my Toshiba that cost $750 about a year ago
I'm excitedCapnNismo wrote:
fuck yeaComputer_Guy wrote:
Nikon D7000 with Nikon 18mm-200mm Lens
Price of HD6970 went from $100 more than a GTX570 to $10 more so I picked myself up a Sapphire 2GB HD6970 Should be here tomorrow or monday. Finally a worthy card to go with my i7 build.
Looks way more tempting than the 580.
Patriot memory Sector 5 4GB kit,
Athlon II X3 3.3GHz tri-core
Athlon II X3 3.3GHz tri-core
gettign tomorrow thanks to meh xmas bonus at work (way bigger than I anticpated, budget game changer).
Denon AVR-2311CI A/V Receiver
Denon AVR-2311CI A/V Receiver
Last edited by SonderKommando (2010-12-16 08:44:41)
Changed my order to a XFX HD6970 because they came into store at the same price as the Sapphire and have better warranty.
Noice.SonderKommando wrote:
gettign tomorrow thanks to meh xmas bonus at work (way bigger than I anticpated, budget game changer).
Denon AVR-2311CI A/V Receiver
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4 … SL500_.jpg
I like pie.
yea, was gonna get the one above it, but it pushes 125w per channel and itd prob blow my rears..TSI wrote:
Noice.SonderKommando wrote:
gettign tomorrow thanks to meh xmas bonus at work (way bigger than I anticpated, budget game changer).
Denon AVR-2311CI A/V Receiver
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4 … SL500_.jpg
It's easier to blow your speakers with an under-powered amplifier than with an "over-powered" one; you don't use that extra effect unless you're playing very loud. It's just headroom, like a bigger engine in a car.SonderKommando wrote:
yea, was gonna get the one above it, but it pushes 125w per channel and itd prob blow my rears..TSI wrote:
Noice.SonderKommando wrote:
gettign tomorrow thanks to meh xmas bonus at work (way bigger than I anticpated, budget game changer).
Denon AVR-2311CI A/V Receiver
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4 … SL500_.jpg
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
Huh, really?Freezer7Pro wrote:
It's easier to blow your speakers with an under-powered amplifier than with an "over-powered" one; you don't use that extra effect unless you're playing very loud. It's just headroom, like a bigger engine in a car.SonderKommando wrote:
yea, was gonna get the one above it, but it pushes 125w per channel and itd prob blow my rears..TSI wrote:
Noice.
Amp size to speaker rating is a very interesting subject.SonderKommando wrote:
Huh, really?Freezer7Pro wrote:
It's easier to blow your speakers with an under-powered amplifier than with an "over-powered" one; you don't use that extra effect unless you're playing very loud. It's just headroom, like a bigger engine in a car.SonderKommando wrote:
yea, was gonna get the one above it, but it pushes 125w per channel and itd prob blow my rears..
About power info - http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages … 09138.html
How to (not) damage speakers - http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/mana … dspeakers/
EE (hats
Yeah, since when an amplifier runs out of headroom (when it's pushing as much power as it can through a speaker), and tries to push even more, it just keeps on pushing as much as it can, until the wave goes down again. There's a whole science behind it all, but the essence of it is that you'll break your speakers very quickly if you're running a somewhat powerful amplifier beyond what it's capable of, since it makes your speakers (tweeters in particular) produce a lot of heat compared to normal operation.SonderKommando wrote:
Huh, really?Freezer7Pro wrote:
It's easier to blow your speakers with an under-powered amplifier than with an "over-powered" one; you don't use that extra effect unless you're playing very loud. It's just headroom, like a bigger engine in a car.SonderKommando wrote:
yea, was gonna get the one above it, but it pushes 125w per channel and itd prob blow my rears..
A more powerful amplifier just means you've got more headroom; you can run a speaker that'll burn with no more than a single Watt of power, connected to a thousand-Watt amplifier, as long as you don't crank the volume too loud.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
analogous to brown outs killing any electronics/motorsSonderKommando wrote:
Huh, really?Freezer7Pro wrote:
It's easier to blow your speakers with an under-powered amplifier than with an "over-powered" one; you don't use that extra effect unless you're playing very loud. It's just headroom, like a bigger engine in a car.SonderKommando wrote:
yea, was gonna get the one above it, but it pushes 125w per channel and itd prob blow my rears..
See this concerns me slightly because the amp i was using was a 90w per channel onkyo on Klipsch reference series speakers (whcih are rated for much higher than that RF62,RC52) But there is no distortion or anything so I assume they're ok. I guess I'd know if there where damaged.Freezer7Pro wrote:
Yeah, since when an amplifier runs out of headroom (when it's pushing as much power as it can through a speaker), and tries to push even more, it just keeps on pushing as much as it can, until the wave goes down again. There's a whole science behind it all, but the essence of it is that you'll break your speakers very quickly if you're running a somewhat powerful amplifier beyond what it's capable of, since it makes your speakers (tweeters in particular) produce a lot of heat compared to normal operation.SonderKommando wrote:
Huh, really?Freezer7Pro wrote:
It's easier to blow your speakers with an under-powered amplifier than with an "over-powered" one; you don't use that extra effect unless you're playing very loud. It's just headroom, like a bigger engine in a car.
A more powerful amplifier just means you've got more headroom; you can run a speaker that'll burn with no more than a single Watt of power, connected to a thousand-Watt amplifier, as long as you don't crank the volume too loud.
Last edited by SonderKommando (2010-12-17 08:39:01)
it would have to be seriously underpowered, or you'd have to be slamming the volume all the time.SonderKommando wrote:
See this concerns me slightly because the amp i was using was a 90w per channel onkyo on Klipsch reference series speakers (whcih are rated for much higher than that RF62,RC52) But there is no distortion or anything so I assume they're ok. I guess I'd know if there where damaged.Freezer7Pro wrote:
Yeah, since when an amplifier runs out of headroom (when it's pushing as much power as it can through a speaker), and tries to push even more, it just keeps on pushing as much as it can, until the wave goes down again. There's a whole science behind it all, but the essence of it is that you'll break your speakers very quickly if you're running a somewhat powerful amplifier beyond what it's capable of, since it makes your speakers (tweeters in particular) produce a lot of heat compared to normal operation.SonderKommando wrote:
Huh, really?
A more powerful amplifier just means you've got more headroom; you can run a speaker that'll burn with no more than a single Watt of power, connected to a thousand-Watt amplifier, as long as you don't crank the volume too loud.
Really, the issue is with the amp not being able to handle it... the speaker would be ok unless the degraded signal heated up the voice coil, or hit the excursion limit of the driver.
EE (hats
Ok so the new reciever Im going to get today is a Denon and will produce 105w per channel on a 5.1 setup with a total output power rating of 735w (105x7) the speakers i have already have an RMS of 125. This should be ok? I mean I already was running them on the 90w per channel onkyo and they seem fine.Morpheus wrote:
it would have to be seriously underpowered, or you'd have to be slamming the volume all the time.SonderKommando wrote:
See this concerns me slightly because the amp i was using was a 90w per channel onkyo on Klipsch reference series speakers (whcih are rated for much higher than that RF62,RC52) But there is no distortion or anything so I assume they're ok. I guess I'd know if there where damaged.Freezer7Pro wrote:
Yeah, since when an amplifier runs out of headroom (when it's pushing as much power as it can through a speaker), and tries to push even more, it just keeps on pushing as much as it can, until the wave goes down again. There's a whole science behind it all, but the essence of it is that you'll break your speakers very quickly if you're running a somewhat powerful amplifier beyond what it's capable of, since it makes your speakers (tweeters in particular) produce a lot of heat compared to normal operation.
A more powerful amplifier just means you've got more headroom; you can run a speaker that'll burn with no more than a single Watt of power, connected to a thousand-Watt amplifier, as long as you don't crank the volume too loud.
Really, the issue is with the amp not being able to handle it... the speaker would be ok unless the degraded signal heated up the voice coil, or hit the excursion limit of the driver.
Do you insist on shattering eardrums whenever you listen to something?SonderKommando wrote:
Ok so the new reciever Im going to get today is a Denon and will produce 105w per channel on a 5.1 setup with a total output power rating of 735w (105x7) the speakers i have already have an RMS of 125. This should be ok? I mean I already was running them on the 90w per channel onkyo and they seem fine.Morpheus wrote:
it would have to be seriously underpowered, or you'd have to be slamming the volume all the time.SonderKommando wrote:
See this concerns me slightly because the amp i was using was a 90w per channel onkyo on Klipsch reference series speakers (whcih are rated for much higher than that RF62,RC52) But there is no distortion or anything so I assume they're ok. I guess I'd know if there where damaged.
Really, the issue is with the amp not being able to handle it... the speaker would be ok unless the degraded signal heated up the voice coil, or hit the excursion limit of the driver.
if not, you'll be fine
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EE (hats
Lol, no. thanks guys.Morpheus wrote:
Do you insist on shattering eardrums whenever you listen to something?SonderKommando wrote:
Ok so the new reciever Im going to get today is a Denon and will produce 105w per channel on a 5.1 setup with a total output power rating of 735w (105x7) the speakers i have already have an RMS of 125. This should be ok? I mean I already was running them on the 90w per channel onkyo and they seem fine.Morpheus wrote:
it would have to be seriously underpowered, or you'd have to be slamming the volume all the time.
Really, the issue is with the amp not being able to handle it... the speaker would be ok unless the degraded signal heated up the voice coil, or hit the excursion limit of the driver.
if not, you'll be fine
Don't worry about it. You almost never use the 90W your amplifier is capable of. If you're just listening to music at normal-ish high volume, say, loud enough to make you raise your voice a bit to speak to someone, you're just using about a Watt of power for each speaker. But if you want to go above that level, the effect (Watts) starts rolling in, as you need ten times the effect to produce twice the loudness; if 1W is loud, 2W isn't twice as loud, but rather just a slight increase. You need to raise the effect to 10W to make it twice as loud, and to 100 to make it twice as loud again.SonderKommando wrote:
Ok so the new reciever Im going to get today is a Denon and will produce 105w per channel on a 5.1 setup with a total output power rating of 735w (105x7) the speakers i have already have an RMS of 125. This should be ok? I mean I already was running them on the 90w per channel onkyo and they seem fine.Morpheus wrote:
it would have to be seriously underpowered, or you'd have to be slamming the volume all the time.SonderKommando wrote:
See this concerns me slightly because the amp i was using was a 90w per channel onkyo on Klipsch reference series speakers (whcih are rated for much higher than that RF62,RC52) But there is no distortion or anything so I assume they're ok. I guess I'd know if there where damaged.
Really, the issue is with the amp not being able to handle it... the speaker would be ok unless the degraded signal heated up the voice coil, or hit the excursion limit of the driver.
Thus, in reality, the difference between a 90, 105 or 125 Watt-per-channel amplifier isn't so great, as you need a 900-Watt unit to make it twice as loud as the 90-Watt one. But 90WPC is, depending on the speakers, either VERY loud, or simply too loud for comfort.
A fun fact that I might add, is that the local cinema over here, until recently, used a 6x25-Watt amplifier for their rear and side speakers.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
the theatre i work at has an old 1970's era 15w amp for the main unit... which is an awesome set itself. I'll have to grab a pic sometime.Freezer7Pro wrote:
Don't worry about it. You almost never use the 90W your amplifier is capable of. If you're just listening to music at normal-ish high volume, say, loud enough to make you raise your voice a bit to speak to someone, you're just using about a Watt of power for each speaker. But if you want to go above that level, the effect (Watts) starts rolling in, as you need ten times the effect to produce twice the loudness; if 1W is loud, 2W isn't twice as loud, but rather just a slight increase. You need to raise the effect to 10W to make it twice as loud, and to 100 to make it twice as loud again.SonderKommando wrote:
Ok so the new reciever Im going to get today is a Denon and will produce 105w per channel on a 5.1 setup with a total output power rating of 735w (105x7) the speakers i have already have an RMS of 125. This should be ok? I mean I already was running them on the 90w per channel onkyo and they seem fine.Morpheus wrote:
it would have to be seriously underpowered, or you'd have to be slamming the volume all the time.
Really, the issue is with the amp not being able to handle it... the speaker would be ok unless the degraded signal heated up the voice coil, or hit the excursion limit of the driver.
Thus, in reality, the difference between a 90, 105 or 125 Watt-per-channel amplifier isn't so great, as you need a 900-Watt unit to make it twice as loud as the 90-Watt one. But 90WPC is, depending on the speakers, either VERY loud, or simply too loud for comfort.
A fun fact that I might add, is that the local cinema over here, until recently, used a 6x25-Watt amplifier for their rear and side speakers.
EE (hats
i haven't understood anything from the last 2 pages.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
It's supposed to be so esoteric that their bullshit can't be called out. Everything is working as planned.m3thod wrote:
i haven't understood anything from the last 2 pages.
I was gonna say I didn't understand any of what was said in the last 10 replies, but yeah meth that pretty much summed it up.
TL;DR: 90W is more power than he'll ever need.Finray wrote:
I was gonna say I didn't understand any of what was said in the last 10 replies, but yeah meth that pretty much summed it up.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP