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Spearhead wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

The United States basically said "Fuck you" to the UN--that gives every country in the world a right to be pissed about Iraq.  Gung-ho right wingers will then cry all day about how the USA is a victim of the rest of the worlds hatred, but then behind the scenes their doing shit that's borderlining Nazi Germany's standards.  And please don't be a tard and say "hey, we're not killing millions of jews!", you're right, we're not.  But what we are doing, (and it's being fueled by the media) is increasing nation-wide hatred and discrimination against muslims and middle-easterns, becoming more and more nationalistic, and saying anyone who doesnt agree with Bush is un-American and according to Bush, at war with the United States "You're either with us, or you're against us".  <-- VERY typical facsist/nationalistic statement.  Bush just declared war on half the world!  Isn't that great!  I mean, no shit, no wonder why they are so many insurgents.

Uhhhhhhh wasn't it Muslims and Middle Easterners who attack us?

I don't think anyone who doesn't agree with Bush is "un-American"..... I think it is un- American to NOT want to stand up and defend our country against ALL agressors who seek and plan to destroy us and our way of life. I guess 5.5 yrs is long enough to forget what watching our countrymen die on CNN was like.

The people who attacked us were EXTREMISTS, who make up much less than 5 percent of the total muslim population in the middle east.  Hating Muslims and Middle Easterns because of 9/11 would be like hating Germans because of WW1 and WW2.  You're right, we should go after those motherf*ckers who attacked us on 9/11.. I don't have a problem with our military presence in Afgahnistan at all.  I am not against the war on terrorism, I am just saying that we are approaching it the wrong way.  Instead of trying to communicate and possibly make alliances with the arab/middle east/muslim population, many Americans are just saying "Fuck these ragheads, all of them are responsible for 9/11".

You've got to understand, the hijackers, (and almost all of the insurgents) are EXTREMISTS.  All Germans were not nazi's, and all middle easterns are not responsible for 9/11.

It might have made us all feel better if the Muslim community stood up and denounced the attacks and made a visible presence in the fight against terrorism and the hijacking of their so called "peaceful religion".

you only responded t othe first part of my statement. How do you feel about the rest of it?


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If it is only 5 % of the Muslim world are "extremist", then by my math 95% of the Muslim world should easily get a handle on this problem wouldn't ya think???

Last edited by lowing (2006-05-08 19:53:22)

time to invade iran and n korea

didnt do much du clean up but saw alot of that shit used was attached to third armor and the 1st id we saw most everything and those 155 rounds we blew in place were rounds that oliver north sent to iraq when they where fighting iran (remember that?) so that was our equipment we had to blow up. anyway guys love this forum keep on keeping on!!

lowing wrote:

the_heart_attack wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

No.

most definantly not.

but we can call it what it was......terrorist attacks.

just becuase america invaded a country and they lied about the reasons for doing so doesnt mean its a war.

plus what does iraq have to do with 9/11 again?

So the bombings of London, Berlin, Tokyo, Stalingrad etc.......didn't count as war, it was terrorism huh?.....Do you care to share what the difference is or how the victims suffered differently?

how is calling it something its not going to help the victims?

if we call it a world war are the dead going to come back to life?

anyone who thinks its a world war needs to wake up and get a grip and stop looking to make it much bigger than it is ( and yes a world war is far bigger than a few major bombings ).
bombings have been happening all over the world for the last 60 years, so by your reasoning we have been in a world war since ww2 finished.

but no, it took it happening to america to make everyone turn it into the main topic of our lives.

lowing wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

lowing wrote:

It might have made us all feel better if the Muslim community stood up and denounced the attacks and made a visible presence in the fight against terrorism and the hijacking of their so called "peaceful religion".

you only responded t othe first part of my statement. How do you feel about the rest of it?

I don't know where you get your news from, but they have apologized and denounced EVERY terrorist attack so far.  But I'm guessing they don't report that stuff on Fox news, eh?  How convenient. 

Talk to any American muslim, and ask them about 9/11.  Especially ask the muslim actor who played the role of the hijacker who made the bomb in the film United 93.  If you have been listening for the past 6 years, you'd know that they don't consider the extremists muslim at all.

By your logic, all white Christians are members of the KKK, and go around lynching people because of their skin color.

What do you mean, second part of your statement?  What's the second part of it?

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If it is only 5 % of the Muslim world are "extremist", then by my math 95% of the Muslim world should easily get a handle on this problem wouldn't ya think???

it would appear that America has indeed kept the KKK in check now wouldn't it?

And Fox news would be the ONLY place you would hear anything positive coming out of Iraq. Muslims protesting terror attacks would be neat to see instead of world wide protest violence and murder over a cartoon. Maybe you haven't been reading the papers lol.


read up..second paragraph about being "un-American" is the second part of my post I was referring to.

Also if you could post some articles where the people of Palinstine ( Hamas)  and Seria Yemen and Iran etc has denounced or protested the attacks I would love to read them

To the second part of your first statement--I could not tell what you meant, because as far as I saw it, it was your opinion.  I'm not going to hate on you because of your opinion.

I believe every person has a write to their own opinion.  But using the term "Un-American" to scare people into agreeing with the government is in itself unconstitutional.  American muslims are just as American as you and I. 

The reason the United States has been able to cope with the KKK is because, after decades upon decades of violence, we have been able strangle them socially and financially.   And if you've been reading the newspapers, you'll know that the Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh was actually part of the neo-nazi movement in America, and neo-nazi's and the KKK are highly related.   In my eyes, they're all the same.

We cannot do the same in Iraq.  The extremist insurgents have piles and piles of cash, and are using it to fund their 'holy war'.  So why don't the KKK start attacking the US government?  Because they know they will lose, it would just be suicide.  You might as well put Adolf Hitler in Israel.  However, in Iraq, insurgents can roam in and out of the country, and have access to thousands of weapons.

As for the cartoons, according to the BBC

"It is the satirical intent of the cartoonists and the association of the Prophet with terrorism, that is so offensive to the vast majority of Muslims.

Why is the insult so deeply felt by some Muslims? Of course, there is the prohibition on images of Muhammad. But one cartoon, showing the Prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse, extends the caricature of Muslims as terrorists to Muhammad. In this image, Muslims see a depiction of Islam, its prophet and Muslims in general as terrorists. This will certainly play into a widespread perception among Muslims across the world that many in the West harbour a hostility towards - or fear of - Islam and Muslims."

If you were American, this would be the same as a cartoon of the Statue of Liberty wearing a Swastika armband and giving birth to Adolf Hitler.  I'm not supporting the violence that happened because of the cartoons, but to say that it was completely unprovoked would be naive.  Don't you see through you're ignorance yet? 

Again, when you refer to Hamas, these are extremists.  I'm sure Horseman will be able to back me up on this one, what we have done with Israel has pretty much set ourselves up to be hated.

What you are doing, Iowing, is using the events of September 11th as a scapegoat to justify racism and hatred for muslims.  And when you see things that way, the terrorists have won.  They destroyed everything our grandfathers fought for so desperately in WW1 and WW2.  Nothing you say can deny that.  The terrorists have won.  If you look at the country today, and compare it to 7 years ago, you see two very different countries.  The terrorists succeeded in dividing the country into 2 pieces.

I suggest you watch the film "The Siege".  It's no where near being a true story, but it opened my eyes to some things I never saw before.  It's good, too, lots of action.  Starring Denzel Washington.

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-05-08 21:05:15)

If you want to truly understand your enemy, you must think like them. Basic rule of any conflict. What drives ordinary, young Muslims to kill thousands of people? Because they are inflamed by OTHER terrorists? What drives them?

Here is an example of what I am talking about. How extreme events can drive ordinary people to extreme action.

1 July 2002. Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2397 collides in mid-air with a DHL Boeing 757. All are killed.

The air traffic controller on duty at the time was Peter Nielsen. He was in control of BOTH aircraft - which would (logically) make him the one responsible. However, this was not so.

24 February 2004. Peter Nielsen is found dead (stabbed) in front of his home. He was killed by a Russian named Vitaly Kaloyev.

Why?

Kaloyev lost his whole family - wife and two children - in the accident. He suffered a nervous brakedown.

Wouldn't the same apply to a Muslim 'extremist'?

Spearhead wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

I don't know where you get your news from, but they have apologized and denounced EVERY terrorist attack so far.  But I'm guessing they don't report that stuff on Fox news, eh?  How convenient. 

Talk to any American muslim, and ask them about 9/11.  Especially ask the muslim actor who played the role of the hijacker who made the bomb in the film United 93.  If you have been listening for the past 6 years, you'd know that they don't consider the extremists muslim at all.

By your logic, all white Christians are members of the KKK, and go around lynching people because of their skin color.

What do you mean, second part of your statement?  What's the second part of it?

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If it is only 5 % of the Muslim world are "extremist", then by my math 95% of the Muslim world should easily get a handle on this problem wouldn't ya think???

it would appear that America has indeed kept the KKK in check now wouldn't it?

And Fox news would be the ONLY place you would hear anything positive coming out of Iraq. Muslims protesting terror attacks would be neat to see instead of world wide protest violence and murder over a cartoon. Maybe you haven't been reading the papers lol.


read up..second paragraph about being "un-American" is the second part of my post I was referring to.

Also if you could post some articles where the people of Palinstine ( Hamas)  and Seria Yemen and Iran etc has denounced or protested the attacks I would love to read them

To the second part of your first statement--I could not tell what you meant, because as far as I saw it, it was your opinion.  I'm not going to hate on you because of your opinion.

I believe every person has a write to their own opinion.  But using the term "Un-American" to scare people into agreeing with the government is in itself unconstitutional.  American muslims are just as American as you and I. 

The reason the United States has been able to cope with the KKK is because, after decades upon decades of violence, we have been able strangle them socially and financially.   And if you've been reading the newspapers, you'll know that the Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh was actually part of the neo-nazi movement in America, and neo-nazi's and the KKK are highly related.   In my eyes, they're all the same.

We cannot do the same in Iraq.  The extremist insurgents have piles and piles of cash, and are using it to fund their 'holy war'.  So why don't the KKK start attacking the US government?  Because they know they will lose, it would just be suicide.  You might as well put Adolf Hitler in Israel.  However, in Iraq, insurgents can roam in and out of the country, and have access to thousands of weapons.

As for the cartoons, according to the BBC

"It is the satirical intent of the cartoonists and the association of the Prophet with terrorism, that is so offensive to the vast majority of Muslims.

Why is the insult so deeply felt by some Muslims? Of course, there is the prohibition on images of Muhammad. But one cartoon, showing the Prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse, extends the caricature of Muslims as terrorists to Muhammad. In this image, Muslims see a depiction of Islam, its prophet and Muslims in general as terrorists. This will certainly play into a widespread perception among Muslims across the world that many in the West harbour a hostility towards - or fear of - Islam and Muslims."

If you were American, this would be the same as a cartoon of the Statue of Liberty wearing a Swastika armband and giving birth to Adolf Hitler.  I'm not supporting the violence that happened because of the cartoons, but to say that it was completely unprovoked would be naive.  Don't you see through you're ignorance yet? 

Again, when you refer to Hamas, these are extremists.  I'm sure Horseman will be able to back me up on this one, what we have done with Israel has pretty much set ourselves up to be hated.

What you are doing, Iowing, is using the events of September 11th as a scapegoat to justify racism and hatred for muslims.  And when you see things that way, the terrorists have won.  They destroyed everything our grandfathers fought for so desperately in WW1 and WW2.  Nothing you say can deny that.  The terrorists have won.  If you look at the country today, and compare it to 7 years ago, you see two very different countries.  The terrorists succeeded in dividing the country into 2 pieces.

I suggest you watch the film "The Siege".  It's no where near being a true story, but it opened my eyes to some things I never saw before.  It's good, too, lots of action.  Starring Denzel Washington.

America has had their thumb on the KKK because they didn't have the support of the people plain and simple.

Would work the same for the "extremist". Only problem is...................they DO have the support of the their people, eather publicly or privately.

I have heard of that movie but never saw it. I will do so

Zaitik wrote:

herrr_smity wrote:

Well if you fucking kids want ABDUL JIAHD ALLAH!! all over this country and live as sand niggers in a hole and have the rape pillage all of our cities? in your DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL EYE"S IM SURE U WOULDNT MIND... stop listning to your fucked up parents about the war. think what YOU think is right, dont follow the dumbasses who say this is not war.... look what hapend at 9/11.... just think..... 9/11.....they must ALL be terminated for what they did.... read tomclancy or dale brown.... it will open YOUR eye's... now please learn... we cant let them kill us .... we are americans... we are a gaming community... now let bush and the oval office sort this shit out.... i dont give a FUCK what the political people say.... all i want is the job DONE!!!

you are right the whole us goverment is shit! and what they do now? recruit 2 million peeps sent them to die..  and then they dont give anything to their family, U S is retard.

if you think that the 9/11 was made by terrorist watch this http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 3762628848

1h long.. but you see the truth of the retards in US

There are TWO threads on this. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT FUCKING MOVIE AGAIN!

We've had at least 30 PAGES and two CLOSED topics on this. NO!

Spearhead wrote:

The United States basically said "Fuck you" to the UN--that gives every country in the world a right to be pissed about Iraq.

Can you be more clear about what you mean here?

Spearhead wrote:

Gung-ho right wingers

Gung-Ho Lacks a Direct literal translation From Chinese but Means " All together in Harmony " Try again.

Spearhead wrote:

Gung-ho right wingers will then cry all day about how the USA is a victim of the rest of the worlds hatred, but then behind the scenes

Any right Wingers who ever Cried please check in, Its not Our style, Sorry. We don't need the Worlds Good opinion We need to be Safe in our own homes first. It is about Priorities.

Spearhead wrote:

their doing shit that's borderlining Nazi Germany's standards.

Here we go again, This insult is inexcusable. Has Bush Burned anyone alive in a Church Parish? Cancel  the Nazi Stuff please.

Spearhead wrote:

And please don't be a tard and say "hey, we're not killing millions of jews!", you're right, we're not.  But what we are doing, (and it's being fueled by the media) is increasing nation-wide hatred and discrimination against muslims and middle-easterns, becoming more and more nationalistic, and saying

" Fueled by the Media " ? there is one Network That is not Anti Bush and Thousands that are. Also our Tard quota seems full.

I was in NYC during 911 and still go there frequently. I never see hatred against Muslims, Middle Easterners etc. I don't even see it in my friends who are/were Fighting over there. Frankly don't see how you came to this Conclusion.

Spearhead wrote:

anyone who doesnt agree with Bush is un-American and according to Bush, at war with the United States "You're either with us, or you're against us".  <--

You misquoted him, He didn't say that at all. "You're either with us, or you're against us" was in Reference to The War itself, And its True. We now Know for instance that the Swiss Aided the Nazis During WWII so I guess it has some merit. It would have been nicer for all if they struck a Blow for humanity against your Buddies There. Don't we agree ?

Spearhead wrote:

VERY typical facsist/nationalistic statement.

Nationalism is OK especially during a War. Show me One israeli who is not a Nationalist. In Fact show me One jew who is not nationalistic about israel.
You don't seem to know what Facisim is.

   

Spearhead wrote:

Bush just declared war on half the world!

He didn't declare War on half the World. He said, and I am para phrasing

" the people who fought back against the Terrorists on Flight 93 With their Bravery, Struck the First Blow in What amounts to a World War. " He was praising their Efforts and Courage. Twist it all you want. Some people actually Read it. I know you weren't counting on that but did you read it yourself?

Spearhead wrote:

no wonder why they are so many insurgents.

When you plant a Bomb on the Side of a road and Blow up anyone who happens by you are not an insurgent anymore. You are a Terrorist. If there are so many why do we get about Two bombs every five Weeks? Why are you against your own Countrymen? Why do you try and Legitimize Your enemies?

"I don't know what weapons WW3 will be fought w/, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones" Albert einstein.

World war 3, how would living in earth feel like? the surface of the sun

@schuss, maybe he said it coz hes a bad speach person

Mike_J wrote:

But I guess to your standards bombings in Indonesia, Spain, England, guerilla fighters and corrupt governments in Africa, South America, and hijacked planes in the US don't count right?

That is correct. Only if I see the words WWIII printed in 5,000pt print on my most trusted news source, the New York Times, will I think there's anything strange going on around the planet...

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<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Name me a country that we Havent helped or sent aid to!

Rohan.

Where was Bush when the Westfold fell?

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-05-09 08:12:27)