BF2S Forums Proposition 19 Fails: Is California Really as Liberal as People Say?

I guess the best option at this point is to just find some humor in the stupidity of people in general and laugh at them when all their plans to control people's personal decisions go awry.

Of course, anyone who disagrees is stupid.

Interesting that the most 'liberal' state and the one most flooded with cannabis has already gone awry?

Dilbert_X wrote:

I guess the best option at this point is to just find some humor in the stupidity of people in general and laugh at them when all their plans to control people's personal decisions go awry.

Of course, anyone who disagrees is stupid.

Hey, you said it, not me.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Interesting that the most 'liberal' state and the one most flooded with cannabis has already gone awry?

Well, it's not due to cannabis.  It's due to a terrible referendum system and illegal immigrants.

I'm not sure why you've always had this boner for telling people what substances they can and can't use.  That's not very "liberal" of you.

It's not simply a matter of personal freedom when it affects people who choose not to smoke.  I've been in areas that are so filled with marijuana smoke that I started feeling sick.   Marijuana gets in the air and can affect other people.

Most of us can agree that drunk driving is a major problem.  Car accidents caused by drunk drivers are a major cause of death.  You want to legalize something that can affect you judgment and coordination for a month?  Think of all of the driving fatalities.

Over the long run, Marijuana has some really bad side effects.  Do you want to pay the hospital bills of 1000s of lifetime druggies who didn't take care of themselves?  What about all of the accidents they would get into?

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

It's not simply a matter of personal freedom when it affects people who choose not to smoke.  I've been in areas that are so filled with marijuana smoke that I started feeling sick.   Marijuana gets in the air and can affect other people.

Most of us can agree that drunk driving is a major problem.  Car accidents caused by drunk drivers are a major cause of death.  You want to legalize something that can affect you judgment and coordination for a month?  Think of all of the driving fatalities.

Over the long run, Marijuana has some really bad side effects.  Do you want to pay the hospital bills of 1000s of lifetime druggies who didn't take care of themselves?  What about all of the accidents they would get into?

Funny, anti-smoking nazi's use the same arguments. Are you one of them too?

cpt.fass1 wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

It's not simply a matter of personal freedom when it affects people who choose not to smoke.  I've been in areas that are so filled with marijuana smoke that I started feeling sick.   Marijuana gets in the air and can affect other people.

Most of us can agree that drunk driving is a major problem.  Car accidents caused by drunk drivers are a major cause of death.  You want to legalize something that can affect you judgment and coordination for a month?  Think of all of the driving fatalities.

Over the long run, Marijuana has some really bad side effects.  Do you want to pay the hospital bills of 1000s of lifetime druggies who didn't take care of themselves?  What about all of the accidents they would get into?

Funny, anti-smoking nazi's use the same arguments. Are you one of them too?

Drunk driving is the cause of 12,000 deaths, one third of all motor vehicular accidents last year. Way to not know the facts, but then again I"m sure you love wasting the money on dare and other retarded "truth" programs that don't work and keeping minor offensive people in jail. I don't understand how bankrupting a country for something you deem to have a negative effect on society is more beneficial.

Hospital bills? Really, we're talking about that. What about all the opiate addicts in this country which is way worse then pot, but it's fucking legal .

I was responding to the first paragraph. The rest was just drivel and a hyperbolic attempt at painting everyone who smokes weed as a burnout waste of life.

How does keeping it illegal change anything? Gives you the opportunity to look down your nose at others? Weed isn't hard to find, even in states less liberal than California. It's not even prosecuted most of the time.

Still, it's funny to read the anti-drug arguments (since anti-drug laws have been as wonderfully ineffective as prohibition was) and I can't wait for the part where you all start quoting out of the bible.


Edit - Oops, you were agreeing with me. Point still stands, just direct it elsewhere

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-11-07 15:57:47)

I suppose like most places in the US the urban centers tend to be more liberal and rural areas more conservative.

jsnipy wrote:

I suppose like most places in the US the urban centers tend to be more liberal and rural areas more conservative.

it's more so because of education and religious zoning in regions.

13/f/taiwan wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

jsnipy wrote:

I suppose like most places in the US the urban centers tend to be more liberal and rural areas more conservative.

it's more so because of education and religious zoning in regions.

care to explain?

Better education systems are provided in places where there is money. So you'll find a better education base in more populated area's(talking more about suburban area's.) There should be more money spent in inner city schools and the rural area's should be based more on facts then on religious beliefs. Alabama and a few other states actually offer Intelligent Design instead of Evolution. 

Modern Day Conservatives tend to base there platform off of religious views and that they don't want the government to take your money and that every one in America if they put their head down will be rich. Basically Conservatives base themselves on the American "Dream" so they get the less educated vote.

jsnipy wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Basically Conservatives base themselves on the American "Dream" so they get the less educated vote.

We should probably have a mandatory educational course prior to granting the right to vote.

Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's right.

More so, we need to have mandatory educational courses prior to running for a public office.

actually honestly I'd love to have courses about the candidates before elections. Instead of just listing to the smear campaigns on TV and the radio. I want to vote for whose best not for the least worst one.

Btw, I love that it's always people that vote liberal that assume the other side is a bunch of retards. Look at the voting demographics, far more people who vote (D) would fail such a test.

jsnipy wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Btw, I love that it's always people that vote liberal that assume the other side is a bunch of retards. Look at the voting demographics, far more people who vote (D) would fail such a test.

Tom Joyner tells me who I should vote for, saves me the effort.

I have no idea who that is.

If you cut the salaries of the White House staff to much than the most competent people might not be as interested in the position.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I'm not sure why you've always had this boner for telling people what substances they can and can't use.  That's not very "liberal" of you.

There are some substances the use of which is socially detrimental, seems the majority of 'liberal' Californians agree with me, so hard luck.
And I've never claimed to be liberal, liberals are often dim-witted and self-centred douchebags who want their personal freedoms at the expense of society as a whole, so hard luck again.

...and people call me authoritarian.

Do you support an internet filter too?