the fuck is thatFloppY_ wrote:
I just picked this baby up
Pew Pew
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/4146 … ropped.png
It does 189dps and uses 15 normal laser pistol "shots" per shot, giving it two shots per 30 shot clip... hence: pew pew...
where and how?Camm wrote:
the fuck is thatFloppY_ wrote:
I just picked this baby up
Pew Pew
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/4146 … ropped.png
It does 189dps and uses 15 normal laser pistol "shots" per shot, giving it two shots per 30 shot clip... hence: pew pew...
Apparently you developed some emotional connection to the character, somehow, for some reason. It's not surreal to see national monuments in ruins, it's just a gimmick that's supposed to make it interesting so you go check it out. Vegas at least makes sense (why the fuck were there scorpions in DC?) and has a neat Western feel to it.Poseidon wrote:
DC is a MUCH better setting than the Mojave Desert. The only interesting place in NV is The Strip. In DC you had The Capitol, the White House (though a crater), the Washington Monument, The Lincoln/Jefferson Memorials, Arlington Cemetary.. so many national landmarks. It was almost surreal to see them in ruin. In NV, not so much. So setting definitely goes to FO3.DesertFox- wrote:
What??? The story/setting is far better than FO3. 3 was just going into variations of the same metro station/industrial building over and over again, and the story didn't have very much variation in it, whereas here you can choose to destroy any number of factions should you so desire.Poseidon wrote:
8.75/10 so far. Not better than FO3 in terms of story/setting, but in terms of content alone it destroys FO3.
In terms of story... I believe I've mentioned this before, but the fact that you really connect to your character in FO3 is what pulled me into it. In NV it's just like "sup you're some guy, you got shot in the head, kill matthew perry". In FO3 you see your own birth... and Liam Neeson's beautiful voice is there to guide you along the birth canal.
That's an entirely different point. I wasn't talking about the atmosphere of the place, I was talking about how the wasteland is really, just plain empty.Mutantbear wrote:
Thats the pointDoctor Strangelove wrote:
The Capital was to dead. It was a skeleton, bare, cold and empty.
GR34 wrote:
where and how?Camm wrote:
the fuck is thatFloppY_ wrote:
I just picked this baby up
Pew Pew
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/4146 … ropped.png
It does 189dps and uses 15 normal laser pistol "shots" per shot, giving it two shots per 30 shot clip... hence: pew pew...
Isn't it enough to complain about that in one thread?Uzique wrote:
my only complaint is that the game is so visually uninteresting
You mentioned novac, jacobstown, goodsprings and primmDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Tempenny Tower, yeah I'll give you that but there still wasn't much interesting going on there.
Big Town was quite the opposite of what its name implies, small. So was Underworld, Canterbury Commons, Republic of Dave and Girdershade. Too small to be really interesting. I said in my post, the Mojave's 188 Trading post is similar to these settlements in terms of size and importance, and it's one of the smallest settlements in the game.
Lamplight was shit because it only had kids in it, it was hard to navigate, it was out of the way and the only thing you could do there was walk through it for the main quest.That's an entirely different point. I wasn't talking about the atmosphere of the place, I was talking about how the wasteland is really, just plain empty.Mutantbear wrote:
Thats the pointDoctor Strangelove wrote:
The Capital was to dead. It was a skeleton, bare, cold and empty.
It is emptyDoctor Strangelove wrote:
That's an entirely different point. I wasn't talking about the atmosphere of the place, I was talking about how the wasteland is really, just plain empty.Mutantbear wrote:
Thats the pointDoctor Strangelove wrote:
The Capital was to dead. It was a skeleton, bare, cold and empty.
Well Fallout 3 had a ton of small neat stuff which I haven't seen much off in Vegas, such as the rube goldberg device in an old shopDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Not bigger than Megaton or Rivet City, but compared to the other secondary settlements they are much bigger. Which is why I keep bring up the 188, it's much small, empty and uninteresting, and it's exactly like all the settlements in FO3, save the big ones. FO3 had 3 settlements that were of any real note, and even then they were no where near as many places in NV.
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by a ton do you mean almost none?FloppY_ wrote:
Well Fallout 3 had a ton of small neat stuff which I haven't seen much off in Vegas, such as the rube goldberg device in an old shopDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Not bigger than Megaton or Rivet City, but compared to the other secondary settlements they are much bigger. Which is why I keep bring up the 188, it's much small, empty and uninteresting, and it's exactly like all the settlements in FO3, save the big ones. FO3 had 3 settlements that were of any real note, and even then they were no where near as many places in NV.
or the small details like the gardengnome chess game, launching nukes from an orbital platform etc.
What you didn't look much?Miggle wrote:
by a ton do you mean almost none?FloppY_ wrote:
Well Fallout 3 had a ton of small neat stuff which I haven't seen much off in Vegas, such as the rube goldberg device in an old shopDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Not bigger than Megaton or Rivet City, but compared to the other secondary settlements they are much bigger. Which is why I keep bring up the 188, it's much small, empty and uninteresting, and it's exactly like all the settlements in FO3, save the big ones. FO3 had 3 settlements that were of any real note, and even then they were no where near as many places in NV.
or the small details like the gardengnome chess game, launching nukes from an orbital platform etc.
NV has that shit also. Except most of it is actually connected to something. The thing you are getting to really was one of the bigger flaws of FO3, that most of the exploring was done for the sake of exploring, without any objective or reason.FloppY_ wrote:
Well Fallout 3 had a ton of small neat stuff which I haven't seen much off in Vegas, such as the rube goldberg device in an old shopDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Not bigger than Megaton or Rivet City, but compared to the other secondary settlements they are much bigger. Which is why I keep bring up the 188, it's much small, empty and uninteresting, and it's exactly like all the settlements in FO3, save the big ones. FO3 had 3 settlements that were of any real note, and even then they were no where near as many places in NV.
or the small details like the gardengnome chess game, launching nukes from an orbital platform etc.
EDIT: And the 188 trade-post is probably the most usefull place you can go, seeing as you can get FAR better weapons than what you find untill then from the gun-runners or that arms-dealer chick..
Well exploring is kinda the point when you.... explore... no?Doctor Strangelove wrote:
NV has that shit also. Except most of it is actually connected to something. The thing you are getting to really was one of the bigger flaws of FO3, that most of the exploring was done for the sake of exploring, without any objective or reason.FloppY_ wrote:
Well Fallout 3 had a ton of small neat stuff which I haven't seen much off in Vegas, such as the rube goldberg device in an old shopDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Not bigger than Megaton or Rivet City, but compared to the other secondary settlements they are much bigger. Which is why I keep bring up the 188, it's much small, empty and uninteresting, and it's exactly like all the settlements in FO3, save the big ones. FO3 had 3 settlements that were of any real note, and even then they were no where near as many places in NV.
or the small details like the gardengnome chess game, launching nukes from an orbital platform etc.
EDIT: And the 188 trade-post is probably the most usefull place you can go, seeing as you can get FAR better weapons than what you find untill then from the gun-runners or that arms-dealer chick..
1) You've never developed an emotional connection to a character in a story, movie or TV show? Is it really that odd for me to develop an emotional connection to a character that is, by all essential means, supposed to represent myself (if I so choose)?DesertFox- wrote:
Apparently you developed some emotional connection to the character, somehow, for some reason. It's not surreal to see national monuments in ruins, it's just a gimmick that's supposed to make it interesting so you go check it out. Vegas at least makes sense (why the fuck were there scorpions in DC?) and has a neat Western feel to it.Poseidon wrote:
DC is a MUCH better setting than the Mojave Desert. The only interesting place in NV is The Strip. In DC you had The Capitol, the White House (though a crater), the Washington Monument, The Lincoln/Jefferson Memorials, Arlington Cemetary.. so many national landmarks. It was almost surreal to see them in ruin. In NV, not so much. So setting definitely goes to FO3.DesertFox- wrote:
What??? The story/setting is far better than FO3. 3 was just going into variations of the same metro station/industrial building over and over again, and the story didn't have very much variation in it, whereas here you can choose to destroy any number of factions should you so desire.
In terms of story... I believe I've mentioned this before, but the fact that you really connect to your character in FO3 is what pulled me into it. In NV it's just like "sup you're some guy, you got shot in the head, kill matthew perry". In FO3 you see your own birth... and Liam Neeson's beautiful voice is there to guide you along the birth canal.
Fallout 3 doesn't connect to the character at all. You sit through all the boring shit teaching you to play inside the vault and then one day it's all---Dad's leaving for some reason, go find him when you feel like it. In Vegas, you're intrigued and have questions about what Benny's saying before you get a cap popped in you, so you start playing with "Where is that son of a bitch?!?!?! I'm gonna kill him."
overall? it's about the same. FO3 has a more engaging macro-story while NV seems to have better micro-stories...if that makes any sense. Weapons are more fun to mess with in NV. The FO3 environment looks better while the NV environment is more engaging. I don't miss spending endless hours underground.-CARNIFEX-[LOC] wrote:
So this thread seems pretty active given the small population of BF2s these days...how would you guys rank this game compared to Fallout 3?
Kinda agree with poseidon on the story parts, FO3 captured me abit more from the beginning... that wasn't a good thing for replays though, having to wait through all that...Poseidon wrote:
1) You've never developed an emotional connection to a character in a story, movie or TV show? Is it really that odd for me to develop an emotional connection to a character that is, by all essential means, supposed to represent myself (if I so choose)?DesertFox- wrote:
Apparently you developed some emotional connection to the character, somehow, for some reason. It's not surreal to see national monuments in ruins, it's just a gimmick that's supposed to make it interesting so you go check it out. Vegas at least makes sense (why the fuck were there scorpions in DC?) and has a neat Western feel to it.Poseidon wrote:
DC is a MUCH better setting than the Mojave Desert. The only interesting place in NV is The Strip. In DC you had The Capitol, the White House (though a crater), the Washington Monument, The Lincoln/Jefferson Memorials, Arlington Cemetary.. so many national landmarks. It was almost surreal to see them in ruin. In NV, not so much. So setting definitely goes to FO3.
In terms of story... I believe I've mentioned this before, but the fact that you really connect to your character in FO3 is what pulled me into it. In NV it's just like "sup you're some guy, you got shot in the head, kill matthew perry". In FO3 you see your own birth... and Liam Neeson's beautiful voice is there to guide you along the birth canal.
Fallout 3 doesn't connect to the character at all. You sit through all the boring shit teaching you to play inside the vault and then one day it's all---Dad's leaving for some reason, go find him when you feel like it. In Vegas, you're intrigued and have questions about what Benny's saying before you get a cap popped in you, so you start playing with "Where is that son of a bitch?!?!?! I'm gonna kill him."
2) When monuments or figures are destroyed, whether fictional or non-fictional, it hits someone's emotions. You're saying if you saw your hometown being shelled in a depiction, you wouldn't feel anything? Interesting.
3) You start in a secluded environment and are suddenly thrust upon a world totally unknown to you. Perhaps we just see things differently, but the emotional elements involved in that are astounding. It's like growing up in a bubble, totally protected by the world... and one day, the bubble pops, and you're forced to face the cruel reality that there is still life upon the surface, as hard as it may be.
I don't know. To each his own. I felt FO3 had an awesome story that could've even made a proper novel. Credits to the Bethesda team, and of course Interplay/Black Isle for creating the universe in which a story like this could come into fruition.
not like it had replayability anywaysFloppY_ wrote:
Kinda agree with poseidon on the story parts, FO3 captured me abit more from the beginning... that wasn't a good thing for replays though, having to wait through all that...Poseidon wrote:
1) You've never developed an emotional connection to a character in a story, movie or TV show? Is it really that odd for me to develop an emotional connection to a character that is, by all essential means, supposed to represent myself (if I so choose)?DesertFox- wrote:
Apparently you developed some emotional connection to the character, somehow, for some reason. It's not surreal to see national monuments in ruins, it's just a gimmick that's supposed to make it interesting so you go check it out. Vegas at least makes sense (why the fuck were there scorpions in DC?) and has a neat Western feel to it.
Fallout 3 doesn't connect to the character at all. You sit through all the boring shit teaching you to play inside the vault and then one day it's all---Dad's leaving for some reason, go find him when you feel like it. In Vegas, you're intrigued and have questions about what Benny's saying before you get a cap popped in you, so you start playing with "Where is that son of a bitch?!?!?! I'm gonna kill him."
2) When monuments or figures are destroyed, whether fictional or non-fictional, it hits someone's emotions. You're saying if you saw your hometown being shelled in a depiction, you wouldn't feel anything? Interesting.
3) You start in a secluded environment and are suddenly thrust upon a world totally unknown to you. Perhaps we just see things differently, but the emotional elements involved in that are astounding. It's like growing up in a bubble, totally protected by the world... and one day, the bubble pops, and you're forced to face the cruel reality that there is still life upon the surface, as hard as it may be.
I don't know. To each his own. I felt FO3 had an awesome story that could've even made a proper novel. Credits to the Bethesda team, and of course Interplay/Black Isle for creating the universe in which a story like this could come into fruition.
thank god no!Brasso wrote:
anyone else doing hardcore on a first run through?
You spend time with the character before the action starts. You saw him grow up and the people around you. You knew the life he lived and how small it really was. Things were simple and flowed at a slow, but safe pace. Then your only family left you without a word and shit around you started to not feel right. People's true intentions and lust for power started to appear and you find out that living in the Vault is a dead end way to live. You hear about how your dad was once on the outside and you hear stories of the freedom and mystery outside the walls of that prison, so you leave and try to find the one person that had truly cared about you. You arrive in the barren wasteland for the first time and it just seems so vast. Nothing makes sense and everything is new. The first people you meet are generally good people, they live simple lives in Megaton and they just try to get by.DesertFox- wrote:
Apparently you developed some emotional connection to the character, somehow, for some reason.
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I'm thinking about it. I'll get it this weekend when I get back from the US. Hardcore looks fun, I feel that I should do it on the second playthrough though.Brasso wrote:
anyone else doing hardcore on a first run through?
