Aussie Troops Killed Civilians

2010-10-12 02:46:39

#1

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5515|Cleveland, Ohio

"Tony Abbott has accused the Gillard government of failing to back three soldiers facing criminal charges over the deaths of Afghan civilians."

"The charges stem from a night-time raid 19 months ago by soldiers of the elite Special Operations Task Group on a residential compound in Oruzgan province.

Defence says the commandos were acting on intelligence that a senior Taliban leader was alleged to be hiding in the house.

During the attack, in which two hand grenades were thrown, six civilians died, including five children. Four other people were injured."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa … 5937648810

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Interesting. I don't remember much outcry from people on this forum about this.

2010-10-12 02:53:13

#2

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7053|Moscow, Russia

war never changes (c).

/thread

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2010-10-12 03:12:08

#3

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6431|what

11 Bravo wrote:
Interesting. I don't remember much outcry from people on this forum about this.

It's funny cause we don't remember much outcry from you about anything American troop related either.

2010-10-12 03:12:52

#4

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6953|Canberra, AUS

11 Bravo wrote:
"Tony Abbott has accused the Gillard government of failing to back three soldiers facing criminal charges over the deaths of Afghan civilians."

"The charges stem from a night-time raid 19 months ago by soldiers of the elite Special Operations Task Group on a residential compound in Oruzgan province.

Defence says the commandos were acting on intelligence that a senior Taliban leader was alleged to be hiding in the house.

During the attack, in which two hand grenades were thrown, six civilians died, including five children. Four other people were injured."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa … 5937648810

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Interesting. I don't remember much outcry from people on this forum about this.

I'll be honest and say I was kind of waiting for someone else to post it first

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-10-12 03:15:06

#5

mcminty: Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.; +879|6999|Sydney, Australia

11 Bravo wrote:
During the attack, in which two hand grenades were thrown, six civilians died, including five children. Four other people were injured."

It's a tad more than that.

The soldiers were targeting an insurgent leader who was not found at an initial compound. A crucial part of the prosecution argument will rest on the decision to move to a second compound, and whether the intelligence was sufficient for it to be approached with the same level of stealth and tactics.

The soldiers claim they exchanged fire for an extended period with an Afghan man who was killed. They maintain he had reloaded his weapon, a sign they were under sustained attack. Those close to the soldiers are adamant that grenades were necessary because they were under fire after the first grenade was thrown and the shots only ceased after a second was thrown.

Source: http://www.smh.com.au/world/officer-in- … 151ao.html

The insurgent was hiding in a room with civilians..

11 Bravo wrote:
Interesting. I don't remember much outcry from people on this forum about this.

I guess people are just apathetic now days, given that US forces have already killed so many civilians in the "war on terror"...

2010-10-12 03:15:44

#6

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5515|Cleveland, Ohio

lol now look who is butthurt

2010-10-12 04:42:05

#7

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6994

11 Bravo wrote:
lol now look who is butthurt

lol euros get even more butthurt when you bring up their indecisiveness during the balkans.

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2010-10-12 05:06:16

#8

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,816|6384|eXtreme to the maX

Its not as if they deliberately targeted civilians for fun, or kept bits of them.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa … ivili.html

Fuck Israel

2010-10-12 05:07:01

#9

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5515|Cleveland, Ohio

thats a different issue. and i have seen aussie and brit troops do the same thing so.......dilbert the troll fails again.

2010-10-12 05:07:34

#10

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6994

Dilbert_X wrote:
Its not as if they deliberately targeted civilians for fun, or kept bits of them.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa … ivili.html

there will always be those few fuck tards in any armed forces especially the one the size of the US... Least they get court martialled and shit and get known as a whopper junior.

edit: anyone remember that tape where brit soldiers beat iraqi kids and the camera dude sounded like he was getting off?

Last edited by Cybargs (2010-10-12 05:08:14)

2010-10-12 05:11:29

#11

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,816|6384|eXtreme to the maX

It was a battle, civilians were caught up - which is somewhat different from Abu Ghraib for example.

Fuck Israel

2010-10-12 05:15:52

#12

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6994

Dilbert_X wrote:
It was a battle, civilians were caught up - which is somewhat different from Abu Ghraib for example.

again, few more retards.

2010-10-12 05:16:29

#13

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5515|Cleveland, Ohio

Dilbert_X wrote:
which is somewhat different from Abu Ghraib for example.

right that was worse than killing kids with nades

2010-10-12 05:18:07

#14

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6994

11 Bravo wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
which is somewhat different from Abu Ghraib for example.
right that was worse than killing kids with nades

gitmo so bad they feed them 3 times a day.

2010-10-12 05:19:26

#15

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,816|6384|eXtreme to the maX

Killing kids with grenades by accident compared with torturing civilians to death as part of government policy?

Fuck Israel

2010-10-12 05:20:19

#16

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6994

Dilbert_X wrote:
Killing kids with grenades by accident compared with torturing civilians to death as part of government policy?

that bitch got canned or did you forget dilbert?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 … land_x.htm

fuck sakes dilbert

2010-10-12 05:30:53

#17

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,816|6384|eXtreme to the maX

But the people in charge didn't.

Fuck Israel

2010-10-12 05:32:19

#18

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5515|Cleveland, Ohio

Dilbert_X wrote:
Killing kids with grenades by accident compared with torturing civilians to death as part of government policy?

torture to death? wow i guess frats at colleges should be shut down. panties on your head is death....

2010-10-12 05:36:42

#19

jord: Member; +2,382|6956|The North, beyond the wall.

Cybargs wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
lol now look who is butthurt
lol euros get even more butthurt when you bring up their indecisiveness during the balkans.

No they don't...

Anyway perhaps you should change your career choice from aussie officer to the us marines and meet up with shifty.

2010-10-12 05:39:51

#20

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,816|6384|eXtreme to the maX

The Balkans has always been shit and will always be shit, hence the term 'balkanisation'.
Its like Detroit, leave it to burn (but send in a Huey for the 'Wild Mustangs' girls.)

Fuck Israel

2010-10-12 06:12:52

#21

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6994

jord wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
lol now look who is butthurt
lol euros get even more butthurt when you bring up their indecisiveness during the balkans.
No they don't...

Anyway perhaps you should change your career choice from aussie officer to the us marines and meet up with shifty.

i don't like working with stone age equipment and get paid shit know what i mean m8.

2010-10-12 06:24:47

#22

jord: Member; +2,382|6956|The North, beyond the wall.

Cybargs wrote:
jord wrote:
Cybargs wrote:

lol euros get even more butthurt when you bring up their indecisiveness during the balkans.
No they don't...

Anyway perhaps you should change your career choice from aussie officer to the us marines and meet up with shifty.
i don't like working with stone age equipment and get paid shit know what i mean m8.

Don't join the taliban then.

2010-10-12 06:28:33

#23

Mutantbear: Semi Constructive Criticism; +1,431|6243|London, England

It's sad that people feel the need to bash other countries

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2010-10-12 06:29:54

#24

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6748

i dunno why you people politicize this issue and get all ultra-patriotic.

armies get a share of fucking sociopaths, nutjobs and people that can't handle combat-situations.

it's not a particular condition of, say, the american psyche, or the australian disposition, or the british mentality.

when you need a lot of troops in a combat theatre, you're going to inevitably and hastily enlist some fucking cuntjobs that would be better off with a bullet in their head. similarly, mistakes are going to be made, anyway... human mistakes, not nationally engendered mistakes. it's so fucking retarded to trade this whole 'well americans kill civvies!', 'brits did it in the balkans!', 'australians did it with with the natives!' bollocks. we're all humans, we're all brutal bastards. no country is going to emerge as the light-bearing nation of saints and saviors.

we're all in it for ourselves, really. altruistic war is bullshit.

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2010-10-12 07:07:50

#25

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6689|'Murka

I think the biggest difference would be, were Marine not calling out the obvious double-standard/hypocrisy, that the reaction of most US people on this forum to that article--rather than apathy--would be anger at the Taliban for putting the women and children in danger. A purposeful action of which the Aussie troops could not have been aware, nor could they have been made aware in a timely manner while dealing with the situation during the firefight.

Yet some would expect them to have known--or, more properly, if the soldiers' nationality had been different, would have expected it. Had the soldiers been US, they would have been expected to have negotiated or backed off in some other way. But because they are non-US troops stuck in a situation US troops find themselves regularly, "war is hell" is the response from non-US posters.

That was the point, as I see it. The difference in initial reaction, based on the nationality of the troops in the OP and the nationality of those reading it on these forums.

It's an interesting dynamic we have here on bf2s. I suppose it exists elsewhere, as well.

It's not a matter of politics or patriotism, really. Rather a social/cultural dynamics issue that normally devolves into a political/nationalistic issue.

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