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Would you give your life for your country?
| Yes | 40% | 40% - 18 | ||||
| No | 59% | 59% - 26 | ||||
| Total: 44 | ||||||
Thats not what we're talking about, we're talking about who is prepared to sign up to fight and die for their country.FEOS wrote:
And your point would be?
You're still comparing apples to horseshoes. The time of existential wars and the weaponry they entailed was completely different than what we are looking at today. Today, you could fight an existential war with an all-volunteer force--easily.
Historically its been very few people, if the situation arose again - and the Iraq and Afghan wars were only made possible by hiring so many contractors - a draft would be required.
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Very different times though, so you can't really compare it.Dilbert_X wrote:
That was the Nazis justification for invading most of Europe IIRC, and most Germans were right behind them.A vast majority would start to have question marks floating above their heads when they would see a politician up on a stand shouting that it's to defend your country and way of life.
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Oh really?dayarath wrote:
Very different times though, so you can't really compare it.Dilbert_X wrote:
That was the Nazis justification for invading most of Europe IIRC, and most Germans were right behind them.A vast majority would start to have question marks floating above their heads when they would see a politician up on a stand shouting that it's to defend your country and way of life.
Germans wanted cheap fuel and to eliminate peoples and religions they deemed incompatible.
The US wants....
Fuck Israel
to big a reach. We didn't take the fuel and we are letting them build a mosque at ground zero - I think your over extended here.Dilbert_X wrote:
Oh really?dayarath wrote:
Very different times though, so you can't really compare it.Dilbert_X wrote:
That was the Nazis justification for invading most of Europe IIRC, and most Germans were right behind them.
Germans wanted cheap fuel and to eliminate peoples and religions they deemed incompatible.
The US wants....
Yeah you did, and used the proceeds to pay yourselves to rebuild all the stuff you bombed.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
to big a reach. We didn't take the fuel.
Fuck Israel
The contractors are doing non-combat roles, easily filled by military types if we wanted to put them there. However, part of the national strategy has been to keep enough active and reserve available to deal with another major theater conflict, should it arise. Your understanding of the true need and number of contractors is pretty flawed, Dilbert. No draft needed.Dilbert_X wrote:
Thats not what we're talking about, we're talking about who is prepared to sign up to fight and die for their country.FEOS wrote:
And your point would be?
You're still comparing apples to horseshoes. The time of existential wars and the weaponry they entailed was completely different than what we are looking at today. Today, you could fight an existential war with an all-volunteer force--easily.
Historically its been very few people, if the situation arose again - and the Iraq and Afghan wars were only made possible by hiring so many contractors - a draft would be required.
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If there was a land invasion of the US today... I doubt there would be a need for a draft since there would be a shitload of volunteers. Especially if Mexicans invade lel.FEOS wrote:
The contractors are doing non-combat roles, easily filled by military types if we wanted to put them there. However, part of the national strategy has been to keep enough active and reserve available to deal with another major theater conflict, should it arise. Your understanding of the true need and number of contractors is pretty flawed, Dilbert. No draft needed.Dilbert_X wrote:
Thats not what we're talking about, we're talking about who is prepared to sign up to fight and die for their country.FEOS wrote:
And your point would be?
You're still comparing apples to horseshoes. The time of existential wars and the weaponry they entailed was completely different than what we are looking at today. Today, you could fight an existential war with an all-volunteer force--easily.
Historically its been very few people, if the situation arose again - and the Iraq and Afghan wars were only made possible by hiring so many contractors - a draft would be required.
If Australia were invaded, we'd make do with volunteers... cause conscription is illegal.
Aus would be hard to invade in the first place lolDrunkFace wrote:
If Australia were invaded, we'd make do with volunteers... cause conscription is illegal.
Sif... I could invade Australia with 11 ships full of criminals... been done before, can be done again.Cybargs wrote:
Aus would be hard to invade in the first place lolDrunkFace wrote:
If Australia were invaded, we'd make do with volunteers... cause conscription is illegal.
Are you seriously trying to compare 1930's-1940's Germany to the USA of today?Dilbert_X wrote:
Oh really?dayarath wrote:
Very different times though, so you can't really compare it.Dilbert_X wrote:
That was the Nazis justification for invading most of Europe IIRC, and most Germans were right behind them.
Germans wanted cheap fuel and to eliminate peoples and religions they deemed incompatible.
The US wants....
There are no similarities inbetween the two on their reason and public mentality. Not only do the times differ greatly, germany was also stuck in one of it's poorest moments in history - which greatly influenced the state of mind of the german people. Not to mention the vastly different state the world was in politically and the issues countries had to deal with at the time.
I recommend you look into world war I and the willingness people had at that time to fight eachother.Dilbert_X wrote:
Thats not what we're talking about, we're talking about who is prepared to sign up to fight and die for their country.
Historically its been very few people, if the situation arose again - and the Iraq and Afghan wars were only made possible by hiring so many contractors - a draft would be required.
That conscription usually coincided with periods of strife does not mean people didn't want to to sign up for the military during these times.
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so, what people do the us want to eliminate?Dilbert_X wrote:
Oh really?dayarath wrote:
Very different times though, so you can't really compare it.Dilbert_X wrote:
That was the Nazis justification for invading most of Europe IIRC, and most Germans were right behind them.
Germans wanted cheap fuel and to eliminate peoples and religions they deemed incompatible.
The US wants....
and germany's wars of aggression had nothing to do with fuel whatsoever
Muslims and Arabs.
Getting hold of the Kazak oil fields was part of the masterplan.
Getting hold of the Kazak oil fields was part of the masterplan.
Fuck Israel
to claim that the us want to kill all arabs and/or muslims is just stupidDilbert_X wrote:
Muslims and Arabs.
Getting hold of the Kazak oil fields was part of the masterplan.
also, the attempt to conquer the caucasian oil fields (the famous "fall blau" - german summer offensive in 1942) was NOT the reason for the german attack on the soviet union (the three main reasons were the conquering of "lebensraum" in the east, the liquidation of the "jewish-bolshevist system" and the construction of an autarkic, blockade-proof, independant german power bloc in continental europe)
the german summer offensive aimed at strategically defeating the red army and ending the war in the east by denying and wresting the soviet armed forces the military-economically important regions and raw materials in the caucasus, at the don, the donez, the wolga, around stalingrad etc
it was sort of a "plan b" since the conquering of leningrad and moscow did not work out and moreover the red army had not been defeated