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I can't argue with that. A lot of orthodox Islam is pretty crazy.Dr.PhiL wrote:
Well according to the article:
He thinks that explains why the non-Western committing so many atrocities are simple.
They have an old view on women and experiencing very little openness about sexuality.
Inbetween the poor societies there are still huge differences in criminal records by race though, and some really do score many %'s higher than all others in a country.Turquoise wrote:
Well, it is true that the poor tend to commit more violent crimes than the wealthy. I don't think that's specifically a Muslim problem so much as a poverty problem, since Muslim immigrants are often much poorer than the locals in European countries.Dr.PhiL wrote:
17 out 18 rapes in Norway are done by muslims
Varegg keep being in denial, Im wondering are you really norweigan or a immigrant yourself?
Although I don't approve his reasoning, it is undeniably a very hot topic within the EU. And it does cause large problems.Varegg wrote:
^^ Nope ... it's not a big problem in EU ... it's a minor one
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My ancestors came from Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Ireland, Spain (and a few other places, I'm sure).dayarath wrote:
Most of the 'immigrants' with which people are having problems with in today's society are the children of the 'guest'workforce that immigrated during the 60's-70's
and their wives.
Their parents undoubtedly know why they left their country, the children however.. as I stated above, often like to glorify wherever their parents came from.
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I am a German-Swedish-Polish-Lithuanian-Americanrdx-fx wrote:
My ancestors came from Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Ireland, Spain (and a few other places, I'm sure).dayarath wrote:
Most of the 'immigrants' with which people are having problems with in today's society are the children of the 'guest'workforce that immigrated during the 60's-70's
and their wives.
Their parents undoubtedly know why they left their country, the children however.. as I stated above, often like to glorify wherever their parents came from.
I'm American. Not German-American, not Russian-American, not Caucasian-American, not White-American, not Atheist-American.
Just American
There's reasons people pack up their family, abandon everything they know as home, and move to a new land.
Unfortunate when the grandkids don't listen to those reasons.
Unforgivable when the immigrants themselves forget, even before they've unpacked.
I agree completely on what you're saying here. Nevertheless, I don't think that them having a strong national identity of sorts should be a problem in our society (Chinese people get along fine, comparatively). On the other hand when they're already inside your country legally it'd be rather heartless and useless to try and deport them.rdx-fx wrote:
My ancestors came from Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Ireland, Spain (and a few other places, I'm sure).dayarath wrote:
Most of the 'immigrants' with which people are having problems with in today's society are the children of the 'guest'workforce that immigrated during the 60's-70's
and their wives.
Their parents undoubtedly know why they left their country, the children however.. as I stated above, often like to glorify wherever their parents came from.
I'm American. Not German-American, not Russian-American, not Caucasian-American, not White-American, not Atheist-American.
Just American
There's reasons people pack up their family, abandon everything they know as home, and move to a new land.
Unfortunate when the grandkids don't listen to those reasons.
Unforgivable when the immigrants themselves forget, even before they've unpacked.
one of the problems is germany's social security system. why should you go to work when the state funds you pretty generously if you don't do anything (and pays more than you could earn by working in your home country?)rdx-fx wrote:
I don't hear anyone complaining about the immigration laws of Japan or Saudi Arabia.
Until then, I really don't give a damn if Germany or Switzerland want to limit the number of unintegrating immigrants they let into the country.
(Germany managed to reabsorb 16 million East Germans, as a counterpoint to exemplify integrating 'immigrants'.)
It's their country. They get to pick who they let in. They have a culture they're happy with, that works for them - they get to decide how many cresent shaped pegs they let into square-hole land.
I just don't get it. If you don't want to assimilate into your new homeland, and you want to make your new home just like the Islamic Paradise you left, then why did you leave?. Oh, right.. because it was an oppressive shithole, with draconian laws, no freedom of speech, and a fucked up economic/social structure.
Yay! let's turn the whole world into an Islamic Paradise! They've done such a wonder-fucking-ful job on the middle east. Peaceful coexistence, goodwill towards neighbors, equitable class structure, fairness to ethnic groups, equality for women, religious tolerance, diverse economic development, outstanding educational programs...
Does the potential immigrant have a useful educational or professional skill that is underfilled in the new country?
Does the potential immigrant speak the predominant language(s) of the new country?
Can the potential immigrant successfully integrate into the new country's culture, laws, and society?
If yes to all three, you might get in.
This is Canada's basic immigration policy, and they're about the nicest people on the damn planet.
And the whole "Sharia/Islamic law supercedes Constitutional or secular law"?
Fuck off, go away, and rethink that idea.
Until you can play by our rules, you don't need to be in our countries.
Enough Islamic states to pick from, go immigrate to one of those states if "Islamic law over secular law" is your desire.
Edit: and to be clear, I don't care what your skin tone is, I don't care what your accent is, I don't care which make-believe father figure in the sky you pray to. If you're going to become a citizen of a country, do your homework and pick one that you can adapt to. Don't expect the country to adapt to you. you're asking to be let into their country, as a favor to you - not the other way around.
Pretty much. I know I usually lobby for more comprehensive social programs here, but I think a lot of Europe has gone too far in that direction.cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
one of the problems is germany's social security system. why should you go to work when the state funds you pretty generously if you don't do anything (and pays more than you could earn by working in your home country?)
i think canada is a good example. noone in german politics used to care about the immigrants educational skills and their knowledge of the german language
You can't change your ethnicity but you can change your nationality. Immigrants who are not willing to assimilate are offensive.rdx-fx wrote:
My ancestors came from Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Ireland, Spain (and a few other places, I'm sure).dayarath wrote:
Most of the 'immigrants' with which people are having problems with in today's society are the children of the 'guest'workforce that immigrated during the 60's-70's
and their wives.
Their parents undoubtedly know why they left their country, the children however.. as I stated above, often like to glorify wherever their parents came from.
I'm American. Not German-American, not Russian-American, not Caucasian-American, not White-American, not Atheist-American.
Just American
There's reasons people pack up their family, abandon everything they know as home, and move to a new land.
Unfortunate when the grandkids don't listen to those reasons.
Unforgivable when the immigrants themselves forget, even before they've unpacked.
Too true, my mom has a client living in Germany for more than 20 years who makes more money from unemployment in a month than working a reasonable job here for 3. And she gets a load of money for her kids too. Is ridiculous.cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
one of the problems is germany's social security system. why should you go to work when the state funds you pretty generously if you don't do anything (and pays more than you could earn by working in your home country?)rdx-fx wrote:
I don't hear anyone complaining about the immigration laws of Japan or Saudi Arabia.
Until then, I really don't give a damn if Germany or Switzerland want to limit the number of unintegrating immigrants they let into the country.
(Germany managed to reabsorb 16 million East Germans, as a counterpoint to exemplify integrating 'immigrants'.)
It's their country. They get to pick who they let in. They have a culture they're happy with, that works for them - they get to decide how many cresent shaped pegs they let into square-hole land.
I just don't get it. If you don't want to assimilate into your new homeland, and you want to make your new home just like the Islamic Paradise you left, then why did you leave?. Oh, right.. because it was an oppressive shithole, with draconian laws, no freedom of speech, and a fucked up economic/social structure.
Yay! let's turn the whole world into an Islamic Paradise! They've done such a wonder-fucking-ful job on the middle east. Peaceful coexistence, goodwill towards neighbors, equitable class structure, fairness to ethnic groups, equality for women, religious tolerance, diverse economic development, outstanding educational programs...
Does the potential immigrant have a useful educational or professional skill that is underfilled in the new country?
Does the potential immigrant speak the predominant language(s) of the new country?
Can the potential immigrant successfully integrate into the new country's culture, laws, and society?
If yes to all three, you might get in.
This is Canada's basic immigration policy, and they're about the nicest people on the damn planet.
And the whole "Sharia/Islamic law supercedes Constitutional or secular law"?
Fuck off, go away, and rethink that idea.
Until you can play by our rules, you don't need to be in our countries.
Enough Islamic states to pick from, go immigrate to one of those states if "Islamic law over secular law" is your desire.
Edit: and to be clear, I don't care what your skin tone is, I don't care what your accent is, I don't care which make-believe father figure in the sky you pray to. If you're going to become a citizen of a country, do your homework and pick one that you can adapt to. Don't expect the country to adapt to you. you're asking to be let into their country, as a favor to you - not the other way around.
i think canada is a good example. noone in german politics used to care about the immigrants educational skills and their knowledge of the german language
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