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well, these problems are partially caused by the us:

"Firearm-related violence across the border has skyrocketed recently in bloody battles between Mexican drug cartels and Mexican authorities, resulting in the slaughter of police officers, soldiers, judges, prosecutors, reporters and innocent bystanders. Because Mexico's strict gun laws make it extremely difficult for civilians to purchase firearms, the increasing gun violence raises an obvious question: Where are the drug cartels buying their guns? Unfortunately, they're buying them right here in the United States.

According to a report issued by the U.S. State Department on Feb. 27, more than 5,000 people were killed in the Mexican drug wars in 2008. The report states that Mexican authorities seized nearly 40,000 illegal firearms in 2008 and that 95 percent of the guns traced were purchased in the United States. Not surprisingly, the escalating violence has begun to spill over into this country.

The reason Mexican drug lords look to America for their guns is clear: In most states they can easily buy guns, including assault weapons and .50-caliber rifles, from private sellers without a background check, no questions asked. Gun sales in Mexico, in contrast, are strictly regulated, as they are in other industrialized nations outside of the United States. The reason shady gun dealers and private sellers here are willing to supply the illegal Mexican market is also clear: It is a highly lucrative business and our gun laws make it unlikely that they will ever get caught."

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cl4u53w1t2 wrote:

well, these problems are partially caused by the us:

"Firearm-related violence across the border has skyrocketed recently in bloody battles between Mexican drug cartels and Mexican authorities, resulting in the slaughter of police officers, soldiers, judges, prosecutors, reporters and innocent bystanders. Because Mexico's strict gun laws make it extremely difficult for civilians to purchase firearms, the increasing gun violence raises an obvious question: Where are the drug cartels buying their guns? Unfortunately, they're buying them right here in the United States.

According to a report issued by the U.S. State Department on Feb. 27, more than 5,000 people were killed in the Mexican drug wars in 2008. The report states that Mexican authorities seized nearly 40,000 illegal firearms in 2008 and that 95 percent of the guns traced were purchased in the United States. Not surprisingly, the escalating violence has begun to spill over into this country.

The reason Mexican drug lords look to America for their guns is clear: In most states they can easily buy guns, including assault weapons and .50-caliber rifles, from private sellers without a background check, no questions asked. Gun sales in Mexico, in contrast, are strictly regulated, as they are in other industrialized nations outside of the United States. The reason shady gun dealers and private sellers here are willing to supply the illegal Mexican market is also clear: It is a highly lucrative business and our gun laws make it unlikely that they will ever get caught."

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL … hbxlogin=1

Ok, yes, the following link is Fox News, but I cross-referenced it, and it matches other reports.

The fact is, only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have been traced to the U.S.

What's true, an ATF spokeswoman told FOXNews.com, in a clarification of the statistic used by her own agency's assistant director, "is that over 90 percent of the traced firearms originate from the U.S."

But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

"Not every weapon seized in Mexico has a serial number on it that would make it traceable, and the U.S. effort to trace weapons really only extends to weapons that have been in the U.S. market," Matt Allen, special agent of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), told FOX News.

In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced -- and of those, 90 percent -- 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover -- were found to have come from the U.S.

But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

In other words, 68 percent of the guns that were recovered were never submitted for tracing. And when you weed out the roughly 6,000 guns that could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent, it means 83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.

So, if not from the U.S., where do they come from? There are a variety of sources:

-- The Black Market. Mexico is a virtual arms bazaar, with fragmentation grenades from South Korea, AK-47s from China, and shoulder-fired rocket launchers from Spain, Israel and former Soviet bloc manufacturers.

-- Russian crime organizations. Interpol says Russian Mafia groups such as Poldolskaya and Moscow-based Solntsevskaya are actively trafficking drugs and arms in Mexico.

- South America. During the late 1990s, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) established a clandestine arms smuggling and drug trafficking partnership with the Tijuana cartel, according to the Federal Research Division report from the Library of Congress.

-- Asia. According to a 2006 Amnesty International Report, China has provided arms to countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America. Chinese assault weapons and Korean explosives have been recovered in Mexico.

-- The Mexican Army. More than 150,000 soldiers deserted in the last six years, according to Mexican Congressman Robert Badillo. Many took their weapons with them, including the standard issue M-16 assault rifle made in Belgium.

-- Guatemala. U.S. intelligence agencies say traffickers move immigrants, stolen cars, guns and drugs, including most of America's cocaine, along the porous Mexican-Guatemalan border. On March 27, La Hora, a Guatemalan newspaper, reported that police seized 500 grenades and a load of AK-47s on the border. Police say the cache was transported by a Mexican drug cartel operating out of Ixcan, a border town.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04 … xico-come/

So, only a small portion of the problem stems from us.  Unfortunately, a lot of media sources have inaccurately reported 90% of guns seized by the Mexican government as having come from us, but in fact, it's only 90% of the guns they actually send to our officials that are traced back to the U.S.  That's very different from 90% of the weapons overall.

And yeah, it's going to sound weird coming from me, but I actually would suggest that one of the few legitimate claims of liberal bias in media is with regard to guns.  A lot of the MSM is gun phobic, and the majority of the U.S. population leans in favor of more gun control (even when statistics show that a lot of gun control measures are ineffective).

Last edited by Turquoise (2010-08-31 19:26:44)

Ticia wrote:

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If the US are being singled out is because they are the ones legally supplying the military and law enforcement the weapons supposed to fight the drug cartels that are now being used by them. Today drug trafficking organizations have a lot more than the assault riffles and pistols of the past and have turned Mexico into a war zone.

The US government full of good intentions doesn't know Calderón government cannot control the corruption inside Mexican law enforcement?  Doubtful.

Welcome back stranger.

Ticia wrote:

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If the US are being singled out is because they are the ones legally supplying the military and law enforcement the weapons supposed to fight the drug cartels that are now being used by them. Today drug trafficking organizations have a lot more than the assault riffles and pistols of the past and have turned Mexico into a war zone.

The US government full of good intentions doesn't know Calderón government cannot control the corruption inside Mexican law enforcement?  Doubtful.

Well, America may end up "fixing" Mexico soon enough.

It all depends on the escalation involved.  I don't think any party would stomach much more turmoil than we currently have at the border.

Harmor wrote:

I'm more concerned about the inaction of our government with violence on this side of the border.  That our own government won't protect us is troubling.

Aren't you in favour of small government and protecting yourself?

Harmor wrote:

I'm more concerned about the inaction of our government with violence on this side of the border.  That our own government won't protect us is troubling.

If the US wanted to bomb all the drug cartels and clean up Mexico crime they could and with more support of the international community than they have in Afghanistan.
But the government knows being neighbours with a country at war is no fun,staying out is the best decision right now.

This is getting more ugly:


Mexican Gunmen Fire at Border Patrol Agents via http://www.drudgereport.com/

I wonder if our Border Patrol Agents are even allowed to defend themselves.  And of course they can't even be in their vehicles sometimes because it might 'harm the environment' so they are even less protected.

If any agents die because the regulations here I'll blame Obama.

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Harmor wrote:

I wonder if our Border Patrol Agents are even allowed to defend themselves. .

THE ARTICLE YOU POSTED wrote:

"The agents returned fire several times forcing the gunmen in Mexico to flee. No injuries were reported."

That leads me to believe that the Border Patrol Agents ARE allowed to defend themselves. Or maybe it just my crazy "liberal" mind mis reading the article.

Sorry, I meant in general, not this specific event where they did return fire.

We only need to look at the cartels that have taken parts of Arizona hostage as an example of the lax ROE this administration has torwards illegal traffickers of both people and drugs.

Harmor wrote:

We only need to look at the cartels that have taken parts of Arizona hostage as an example of the lax ROE this administration has torwards illegal traffickers of both people and drugs.

Well, Bush wasn't exactly proactive about the border either.  To be honest, we haven't had any president that was concerned with border security since Kennedy.

Last edited by Turquoise (2010-09-11 19:37:10)

Ticia wrote:

Harmor wrote:

I'm more concerned about the inaction of our government with violence on this side of the border.  That our own government won't protect us is troubling.

If the US wanted to bomb all the drug cartels and clean up Mexico crime they could and with more support of the international community than they have in Afghanistan.
But the government knows being neighbours with a country at war is no fun,staying out is the best decision right now.

not sure how you came up with this gem

Turquoise wrote:

Well, Bush wasn't exactly proactive about the border either.

Why would he? Seeing California collapse was in his interests.