Illegal immigrants: the most convenient problem for both parties.
You have the gift of Understatment.Turquoise wrote:
Illegal immigrants: the most convenient problem for both parties.
lol so this is a problem started by Kennedy in 64 and since then the Reps haven't been able to fix it?Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Try llooking at the bills who sponserd the amd the up and down vote,
The bill that started this whole mess was Ted Kennedy's 1964
The problem is when they get "fown there" they will go anything to stay.
Luckly Biden ran on a term limits platform so we got that going for us.
Ps of No importance at all is your opinion.
anyway try to make more sense please
and I never claimed that my interpretation of facts was more important than yours. I'm just saying stick to the facts. Has anything changed depending on who's in office? No. So quit yammering on about the Democrats. Your obsession is showing.
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yesoug wrote:
lol so this is a problem started by Kennedy in 64Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Try llooking at the bills who sponserd the amd the up and down vote,
The bill that started this whole mess was Ted Kennedy's 1964
The problem is when they get "down there" they will go anything to stay.
Luckly Biden ran on a term limits platform so we got that going for us.
Ps of No importance at all is your opinion.
correct.oug wrote:
and since then the Reps haven't been able to fix it?
This is in reference to what ? Shall I use crayons?oug wrote:
anyway try to make more sense please
Obssesd ? You meant to insult, you failed. Yes I am very concernd about my Country, so are many othersoug wrote:
and I never claimed that my interpretation of facts was more important than yours. I'm just saying stick to the facts. Has anything changed depending on who's in office? No. So quit yammering on about the Democrats. Your obsession is showing.
That's why I mentioned the Kennedy bill in 64 as it was a drastic change in our immigration policy. The democrats have controlled the house and sensate longer than Reps and generally back illegals in their quest for Rights, Welfare, Medical, Care and chain Immigration.Which I feel they are not entitled to since their ILEGALS It is a Toxic topic to all politicians because although most people will be inspired to vote if they are hurt by a policy but few will bother to vote if something isn't hurting them or is hindering some one else. All that may change.
Insult wasn't my purpose, far from it. I just feel that the immigration "problem" - if indeed it is such - is one on which both parties share the same policy. If that weren't true, I see no reason why the Republicans couldn't change anything on their terms 'till now. Especially with all the changes from 9/11 onwards, fucking Patriot Act and shit... It's my understanding that during that time they could change practically anything. And to an extent they did. Mind you with all that security craze back then it was only logical that something might be done to prevent people from coming in to the US unchecked. Blaming the Democrats and Teddy in '64 must mean you have an explanation why such measures weren't taken. So go ahead and draw it up for me in your crayons.
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I want the strongest measures taken, and take offense 1st on those who were the weakest.
Did I want Bush to Send Apaches and BlackHawks down to patrol the borders - yea.
Alas Bush never said he was a Heavy Right Wing or even Conservative, He said he was Republican and " a Unite-er "
Just like That " A Unite-er"
that was a clue that he would seek middle ground.
Still I will blame the people who did the most damage 1st. particularly if they did it for hypocritical self serving reasons at the expense of the people the said they were serving. I think Ted should be dug up with a back hoe and removed from the hollowed ground of Arlington and buried in a land fill - Maybe I am a little obsessed.
Did I want Bush to Send Apaches and BlackHawks down to patrol the borders - yea.
Alas Bush never said he was a Heavy Right Wing or even Conservative, He said he was Republican and " a Unite-er "
Just like That " A Unite-er"
that was a clue that he would seek middle ground.
Still I will blame the people who did the most damage 1st. particularly if they did it for hypocritical self serving reasons at the expense of the people the said they were serving. I think Ted should be dug up with a back hoe and removed from the hollowed ground of Arlington and buried in a land fill - Maybe I am a little obsessed.
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hahahaha no noooo you're alright!!
I gotta tell you though... if you think Bush was middle ground... who qualifies as heavy right wing? lol (excluding dead men with weird facial hair)
I gotta tell you though... if you think Bush was middle ground... who qualifies as heavy right wing? lol (excluding dead men with weird facial hair)
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Well, the sad thing is... Bush is moderate compared to a lot of Republicans... (scary shit, eh?)oug wrote:
hahahaha no noooo you're alright!!
I gotta tell you though... if you think Bush was middle ground... who qualifies as heavy right wing? lol (excluding dead men with weird facial hair)
Well amnesty for Illegals is a great thing. Everyone should be drooling over it and then they won't be illegal anymore. They'll be tax payers and that's my only problem with them.
The biggest problem with granting amnesty is that it would set a precedent that would encourage a large portion of Mexico to move here -- even larger than the portion that already has.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Well amnesty for Illegals is a great thing. Everyone should be drooling over it and then they won't be illegal anymore. They'll be tax payers and that's my only problem with them.
Our system would not be able to handle a burden that large -- regardless of whether they are paying taxes or not.
They're already taxpayers...cpt.fass1 wrote:
Well amnesty for Illegals is a great thing. Everyone should be drooling over it and then they won't be illegal anymore. They'll be tax payers and that's my only problem with them.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Sales tax yes... payroll tax sometimes... income tax not usually.JohnG@lt wrote:
They're already taxpayers...cpt.fass1 wrote:
Well amnesty for Illegals is a great thing. Everyone should be drooling over it and then they won't be illegal anymore. They'll be tax payers and that's my only problem with them.
They pay income tax if they work at any normal job like a restaurant. If they're working off the books, it's different, but millions of naturally born American citizens work off the books and I never hear any griping about them.Turquoise wrote:
Sales tax yes... payroll tax sometimes... income tax not usually.JohnG@lt wrote:
They're already taxpayers...cpt.fass1 wrote:
Well amnesty for Illegals is a great thing. Everyone should be drooling over it and then they won't be illegal anymore. They'll be tax payers and that's my only problem with them.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I'm pretty pissed about waiters getting away without paying most of their taxes.JohnG@lt wrote:
They pay income tax if they work at any normal job like a restaurant. If they're working off the books, it's different, but millions of naturally born American citizens work off the books and I never hear any griping about them.Turquoise wrote:
Sales tax yes... payroll tax sometimes... income tax not usually.JohnG@lt wrote:
They're already taxpayers...
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
That's not true at all john. Sales tax is a whooping 10% but most get their clothing from charities and food from either their job or charities, most squat somewhere(like in legal residents section 8 housing). Again when talking about Illegals I've never said Mexican, it's always been about all of them. John take a trip over to Hoboken from New York one of these days and ride the light rail towards the 9th ave, you'll see the shanty towns that they've built up for themselves.JohnG@lt wrote:
They pay income tax if they work at any normal job like a restaurant. If they're working off the books, it's different, but millions of naturally born American citizens work off the books and I never hear any griping about them.Turquoise wrote:
Sales tax yes... payroll tax sometimes... income tax not usually.JohnG@lt wrote:
They're already taxpayers...
Living outside or illegally somewhere is also nice because if they get sick they can just show up at hospitals and get taken care of. It's really no wonder why places that are heavily populated with Illegals are all on the verge or going bankrupt? The Jewish people too all turn their houses into Temples to avoid taxes.
Also if we've come up with a better taxing system we wouldn't have to worry about it. You know something that was fair and didnt' crush the hard working american person.
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What?... John, I don't think you understand how illegal labor works or how filing income tax does as well. You only pay income tax if you file. If someone is illegal, it's kind of hard for the IRS to come after them because they already are "off the books" if they aren't a citizen or aren't working with a visa.JohnG@lt wrote:
They pay income tax if they work at any normal job like a restaurant. If they're working off the books, it's different, but millions of naturally born American citizens work off the books and I never hear any griping about them.Turquoise wrote:
Sales tax yes... payroll tax sometimes... income tax not usually.JohnG@lt wrote:
They're already taxpayers...
Payroll tax is the closest thing to income tax that an illegal would pay, and that's only assuming that the illegal is using someone else's SS #.
As for citizens that are working off of the books, I can see where you're coming from, but the issues around illegal immigration encompass a lot more than just dodging taxes.
Actually the IRS will take illegallly filed tax returns and their money with no care.. It's just that they don't do that.
He said he was going to.Dilbert_X wrote:
The Republicans did precisely nothing to stem the flow, didn't Obama send troops to the border?
He hasn't yet.
And the number he said he was going to send wasn't much better than sending none at all.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I already replied about this in another thread but I'll post it here again:FEOS wrote:
He said he was going to.Dilbert_X wrote:
The Republicans did precisely nothing to stem the flow, didn't Obama send troops to the border?
He hasn't yet.
And the number he said he was going to send wasn't much better than sending none at all.
AZ asks for 3,000 Nat'l Guardsmen; gets 30 via http://www.drudgereport.com/
So technically he did send 30 troops to stop the illegal flow of aliens into Arizona, not zero.
Bureau of Land Management sign in Arizona, "DANGER - PUBLIC WARNING, TRAVEL NOT RECOMMENDED, Visitors May Encounter Armed Criminals and Smuggling Vehicles Traveling at High Rates of Speed."
I believe every ones point is they take out of our system more than they put in it. The Big End of year TAX number is the issue.JohnG@lt wrote:
They're already taxpayers...
No one is debating whether we collect sales tax on the Burger King purchase or DVD rental. Take California as an example.
. . . . . . now start cursing . . . .
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90% of people in this country take out more than they put in over their lifetime. Should we kick out all the poor people? How about those simply making under six figures?Hunter/Jumper wrote:
I believe every ones point is they take out of our system more than they put in it. The Big End of year TAX number is the issue.JohnG@lt wrote:
They're already taxpayers...
No one is debating whether we collect sales tax on the Burger King purchase or DVD rental. Take California as an example.
. . . . . . now start cursing . . . .
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
" Take out "was a bad term to use, Sorry ! How about DRAIN ? they Drain our system.JohnG@lt wrote:
90% of people in this country take out more than they put in over their lifetime. Should we kick out all the poor people? How about those simply making under six figures?Hunter/Jumper wrote:
I believe every ones point is they take out of our system more than they put in it. The Big End of year TAX number is the issue.JohnG@lt wrote:
They're already taxpayers...
No one is debating whether we collect sales tax on the Burger King purchase or DVD rental. Take California as an example.
. . . . . . now start cursing . . . .
I just love this. How did you make this jump " Should we kick out all the poor people ? "JohnG@lt wrote:
Should we kick out all the poor people? How about those simply making under six figures?
Then comes the Class envy disguised as compassion " How about those simply making under six figures ? "
Why didn't you segway into a little implied Racism ?
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How about I just ask for some logic backed with facts instead of you spewing whatever bullshit comes to mind to make your point?Hunter/Jumper wrote:
" Take out "was a bad term to use, Sorry ! How about DRAIN ? they Drain our system.JohnG@lt wrote:
90% of people in this country take out more than they put in over their lifetime. Should we kick out all the poor people? How about those simply making under six figures?Hunter/Jumper wrote:
I believe every ones point is they take out of our system more than they put in it. The Big End of year TAX number is the issue.
No one is debating whether we collect sales tax on the Burger King purchase or DVD rental. Take California as an example.
. . . . . . now start cursing . . . .
I just love this how did you make this jump "Should we kick out all the poor people? Then come the Class envy disguised as compassion " How about those simply making under six figures ?JohnG@lt wrote:
Should we kick out all the poor people? How about those simply making under six figures?
Why didn't you segway into a little implied Racism ?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Now comes the cursing lol ! I did mention California " The State leading the curve on this relaxed immigration stance "
as a reference - it's bankrupt. we all watched it happen.
as a reference - it's bankrupt. we all watched it happen.
Is this " Spewing whatever Bullshit that came to your mind " or is this insight. knowledge and your outlook steeped in fact ? tell me - pleaseX wrote:
"Should we kick out all the poor people? " How about those simply making under six figures "
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Considering that the median wage in America is around $40k, and 47% of Americans pay no income tax, one can safely assume that those making under approximately 39k per year do not pay any federal income taxes. Add in the people that work off the books and you've got about half the country not paying a dime. So, you picking on a minority group just makes you look like a retard for ignoring the bigger picture/problem while scapegoating a group that can't defend itself. You're playing the role of bully.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Now comes the cursing lol ! I did mention California " The State leading the curve on this relaxed immigration stance " as a reference -
it's bankrupt. we all watched it happen.
"Should we kick out all the poor people? " How about those simply making under six figures "
Is this Bullshit that came to your mind or is this insight steeped in fact ? tell me - please
Instead of parroting whatever opinion you retain via osmosis from TV, how about doing a little research, go outside the tiny mental box you've placed yourself in, and actually take a look at the issues instead of being a mindless soldier in whoevers army it is that you've joined for a misplaced self esteem boost.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat