Norwegian Reporter embedded with Taliban as they kill U.S. Soldiers

2010-08-29 19:26:04

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Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6762|San Diego, CA, USA

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Daily Mail wrote:
A documentary made by a Norwegian journalist embedded with Taliban fighters has provided a rare glimpse of the other side of the Afghanistan conflict.

The raw footage - captured by Paul Refsdal - shows the Afghan militants attacking U.S. convoys on a road below their mountainous hide-out and celebrating hits with a high-five.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne … liban.html

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This journalist is crossing the line. The reporter is trying to humanize the terrorists. All we need now is Jane Fonda on an AA gun moment.

2010-08-29 19:27:33

#2

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5571|London, England

Yes, only one side of any story should be told. Taliban fighters are indeed not human beings so humanizing them is comparable to trying to humanize a goldfish. It just doesn't work.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-08-29 19:37:56

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Trotskygrad: бля; +354|6212|Vortex Ring State

Ok yeah, apparently this journalist is fine standing by while US soldiers die.

OK

2010-08-29 19:39:47

#4

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5571|London, England

Trotskygrad wrote:
Ok yeah, apparently this journalist is fine standing by while US soldiers die.

OK

Norwegian journalist

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-08-29 19:41:12

#5

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6624|'Murka

It would be less of an issue if it weren't for the fact that Norway has troops in Afghanistan.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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2010-08-29 19:41:21

#6

Trotskygrad: бля; +354|6212|Vortex Ring State

JohnG@lt wrote:
Trotskygrad wrote:
Ok yeah, apparently this journalist is fine standing by while US soldiers die.

OK
Norwegian journalist

mhm Norway was a member of NATO last time I checked (not that that means anything)

(waits for Jenspm)

2010-08-29 19:41:32

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Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6684

Harmor wrote:
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Daily Mail wrote:
A documentary made by a Norwegian journalist embedded with Taliban fighters has provided a rare glimpse of the other side of the Afghanistan conflict.

The raw footage - captured by Paul Refsdal - shows the Afghan militants attacking U.S. convoys on a road below their mountainous hide-out and celebrating hits with a high-five.
Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne … liban.html

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This journalist is crossing the line. The reporter is trying to humanize the terrorists. All we need now is Jane Fonda on an AA gun moment.

since when were terrorists not human? since when were they not motivated by the same urges as humans? since when were they not captivated and susceptible to the emotions that human beings feel? since when did they not have political reasons of their own to fight a conflict? you're such a fucking dolt.

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2010-08-29 19:43:41

#8

Trotskygrad: бля; +354|6212|Vortex Ring State

Uzique wrote:
Harmor wrote:
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1662 … 0413f0.jpg

Daily Mail wrote:
A documentary made by a Norwegian journalist embedded with Taliban fighters has provided a rare glimpse of the other side of the Afghanistan conflict.

The raw footage - captured by Paul Refsdal - shows the Afghan militants attacking U.S. convoys on a road below their mountainous hide-out and celebrating hits with a high-five.
Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne … liban.html

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This journalist is crossing the line. The reporter is trying to humanize the terrorists. All we need now is Jane Fonda on an AA gun moment.
since when were terrorists not human? since when were they not motivated by the same urges as humans? since when were they not captivated and susceptible to the emotions that human beings feel? since when did they not have political reasons of their own to fight a conflict? you're such a fucking dolt.

pssh, most military/law enforcement people don't consider terrorists human

old news brah!

2010-08-29 19:44:17

#9

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5472|foggy bottom

you really have a problem with freedom of speech dont ya harmor

Tu Stultus Es

2010-08-29 19:45:58

#10

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5571|London, England

Uzique wrote:
Harmor wrote:
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1662 … 0413f0.jpg

Daily Mail wrote:
A documentary made by a Norwegian journalist embedded with Taliban fighters has provided a rare glimpse of the other side of the Afghanistan conflict.

The raw footage - captured by Paul Refsdal - shows the Afghan militants attacking U.S. convoys on a road below their mountainous hide-out and celebrating hits with a high-five.
Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne … liban.html

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This journalist is crossing the line. The reporter is trying to humanize the terrorists. All we need now is Jane Fonda on an AA gun moment.
since when were terrorists not human? since when were they not motivated by the same urges as humans? since when were they not captivated and susceptible to the emotions that human beings feel? since when did they not have political reasons of their own to fight a conflict? you're such a fucking dolt.

Since when were they not terrorists and instead people defending their homeland? The Taliban never were terrorists, they're the former ruling party. Any one of us would be fighting if our country were invaded and we were kicked out of power with a puppet government installed. AQ are the terrorists, not the Taliban. Are they fucked up in their own right? Yes. Did they probably deserve to be kicked out of power? Yes. Fighting to restore their power still doesn't make them terrorists.

Journalists can do whatever they like. This one obviously doesn't have a whole lot of patriotism or nationalism coursing through their veins. Still not illegal or immoral.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-08-29 19:47:25

#11

Trotskygrad: бля; +354|6212|Vortex Ring State

JohnG@lt wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Harmor wrote:
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1662 … 0413f0.jpg

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne … liban.html

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This journalist is crossing the line. The reporter is trying to humanize the terrorists. All we need now is Jane Fonda on an AA gun moment.
since when were terrorists not human? since when were they not motivated by the same urges as humans? since when were they not captivated and susceptible to the emotions that human beings feel? since when did they not have political reasons of their own to fight a conflict? you're such a fucking dolt.
Since when were they not terrorists and instead people defending their homeland? The Taliban never were terrorists, they're the former ruling party. Any one of us would be fighting if our country were invaded and we were kicked out of power with a puppet government installed. AQ are the terrorists, not the Taliban. Are they fucked up in their own right? Yes. Did they probably deserve to be kicked out of power? Yes. Fighting to restore their power still doesn't make them terrorists.

Journalists can do whatever they like. This one obviously doesn't have a whole lot of patriotism or nationalism coursing through their veins. Still not illegal or immoral.

It would start being immoral if he joined in on the fighting

yar

then he would be a traitor for attacking troops of a country that is allies of his country

2010-08-29 19:48:53

#12

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5571|London, England

Trotskygrad wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
Uzique wrote:

since when were terrorists not human? since when were they not motivated by the same urges as humans? since when were they not captivated and susceptible to the emotions that human beings feel? since when did they not have political reasons of their own to fight a conflict? you're such a fucking dolt.
Since when were they not terrorists and instead people defending their homeland? The Taliban never were terrorists, they're the former ruling party. Any one of us would be fighting if our country were invaded and we were kicked out of power with a puppet government installed. AQ are the terrorists, not the Taliban. Are they fucked up in their own right? Yes. Did they probably deserve to be kicked out of power? Yes. Fighting to restore their power still doesn't make them terrorists.

Journalists can do whatever they like. This one obviously doesn't have a whole lot of patriotism or nationalism coursing through their veins. Still not illegal or immoral.
It would start being immoral if he joined in on the fighting

yar

then he would be a traitor for attacking troops of a country that is allies of his country

But he's not. Hell, I commend the guy because maybe one day we'll end up with a balanced history instead of a completely biased one. Hopefully he's one of the rare few that can embed himself for history's sake and not because he feels like doing this allows him to take a shot at the US.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-08-29 19:48:53

#13

oug: Calmer than you are.; +380|6732|Πάϊ

Harmor wrote:
The reporter is trying to humanize the terrorists.

Mad photoshop skills this guy... They look exactly like people in all the pics!

_ƒ³

2010-08-29 20:31:07

#14

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5799

Unless he killed someone or gave the Taliban money or something, he did nothing wrong. He has no moral obligation to not present a story.

2010-08-29 20:31:29

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rdx-fx: ...; +955|6805

He's a journalist, reporting from the other side of a conflict. As long as he's not actively participating in the conflict, and he is not using his Norwegian credentials to aid the other side in any way, more power to him.

History really does need both sides of the story to paint an accurate picture.

Now the risk he runs, being embedded with Taliban fighters, and looking like a Taliban fighter is significant. If one of those US convoys they hit actually has proper fire support, his ass is going to get properfucked. Unless he can whip out a 20 foot tall neon sign flashing "Reporter" over his head in a couple milliseconds, he's going to get smoked like the rest of the people he's embedded with.

As Duke Nukem would say, "Balls of Steel!"

And, to the OP, yes, even the Taliban fighters are human. A particularly nasty, violent, virulent kind of humanity that fully deserves to be wiped off the face of the planet. And that is not a frivolous judgement on my part. Simple equation, though - they would kill me for who I am (Atheist, American, Jewish last name), so it's simply a matter of "no, you first". If we cannot live in peace, and we cannot ignore each other, then someone has to go.

Last edited by rdx-fx (2010-08-29 20:52:25)

2010-08-29 21:15:58

#16

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6762|San Diego, CA, USA

rdx-fx wrote:
He's a journalist, reporting from the other side of a conflict. As long as he's not actively participating in the conflict, and he is not using his Norwegian credentials to aid the other side in any way, more power to him....

And how isn't this propaganda? You guys are actually trying to make a case for these terrorists. Do you guys know what they do to people? Do I need to mention all the atrocities they have committed?

You all should be ashamed of yourselves aiding and abetting the enemy. I hope to God that you don't have anyone you know in those convoys or anyone in Pakistan or Afghanistan that has been affected by the Taliban.

This, to me, is not free speech, this is treasonous. You don't, for example, have the right to yell fire in a crowded movie theater nor should should have the right to aid our enemies as they kill American citizens (or anyone in NATO), in the convoy.

This is war.

The minute that journalist turned on his camera as NATO troops were killed he became a Taliban sympathizer and no longer a journalist; he might as well have been pulling the trigger on the guns.

I wonder how many Norwegians were in that convoy?

2010-08-29 21:19:26

#17

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5571|London, England

Harmor wrote:
rdx-fx wrote:
He's a journalist, reporting from the other side of a conflict. As long as he's not actively participating in the conflict, and he is not using his Norwegian credentials to aid the other side in any way, more power to him....
And how isn't this propaganda? You guys are actually trying to make a case for these terrorists. Do you guys know what they do to people? Do I need to mention all the atrocities they have committed?

You all should be ashamed of yourselves aiding and abetting the enemy. I hope to God that you don't have anyone you know in those convoys or anyone in Pakistan or Afghanistan that has been affected by the Taliban.

This, to me, is not free speech, this is treasonous. You don't, for example, have the right to yell fire in a crowded movie theater nor should should have the right to aid our enemies as they kill American citizens (or anyone in NATO), in the convoy.

This is war.

The minute that journalist turned on his camera as NATO troops were killed he became a Taliban sympathizer and no longer a journalist; he might as well have been pulling the trigger on the guns.

I wonder how many Norwegians were in that convoy?

Have you ever served in the military?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-08-29 21:19:28

#18

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5392|Sydney

@ Harmour: I'm sure the Taliban hold similar views to yours, only theirs is directed at the US.

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2010-08-29 21:25:02

#19

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6888|Canberra, AUS

Harmor wrote:
rdx-fx wrote:
He's a journalist, reporting from the other side of a conflict. As long as he's not actively participating in the conflict, and he is not using his Norwegian credentials to aid the other side in any way, more power to him....
And how isn't this propaganda? You guys are actually trying to make a case for these terrorists. Do you guys know what they do to people? Do I need to mention all the atrocities they have committed?

You all should be ashamed of yourselves aiding and abetting the enemy. I hope to God that you don't have anyone you know in those convoys or anyone in Pakistan or Afghanistan that has been affected by the Taliban.

This, to me, is not free speech, this is treasonous. You don't, for example, have the right to yell fire in a crowded movie theater nor should should have the right to aid our enemies as they kill American citizens (or anyone in NATO), in the convoy.

This is war.

The minute that journalist turned on his camera as NATO troops were killed he became a Taliban sympathizer and no longer a journalist; he might as well have been pulling the trigger on the guns.

I wonder how many Norwegians were in that convoy?

What a pathetic argument. Lowest of the low, even from you Harmor this is pretty poor form.

Last edited by Spark (2010-08-29 21:32:16)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-08-29 21:31:44

#20

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5571|London, England

Spark wrote:
Harmor wrote:
rdx-fx wrote:
He's a journalist, reporting from the other side of a conflict. As long as he's not actively participating in the conflict, and he is not using his Norwegian credentials to aid the other side in any way, more power to him....
And how isn't this propaganda? You guys are actually trying to make a case for these terrorists. Do you guys know what they do to people? Do I need to mention all the atrocities they have committed?

You all should be ashamed of yourselves aiding and abetting the enemy. [/b]I hope to God that you don't have anyone you know in those convoys or anyone in Pakistan or Afghanistan that has been affected by the Taliban.[/b]

This, to me, is not free speech, this is treasonous. You don't, for example, have the right to yell fire in a crowded movie theater nor should should have the right to aid our enemies as they kill American citizens (or anyone in NATO), in the convoy.

This is war.

The minute that journalist turned on his camera as NATO troops were killed he became a Taliban sympathizer and no longer a journalist; he might as well have been pulling the trigger on the guns.

I wonder how many Norwegians were in that convoy?
What a pathetic argument. Lowest of the low, even from you Harmor this is pretty poor form.

But Harmor thinks he's a Libertarian like Glenn Beck

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-08-29 21:32:06

#21

Little BaBy JESUS: m8; +394|6362|'straya

Firstly, did I miss the memo when the Taliban were terrorists? They were a political movement in Afghanistan, and then became an insurgency against invading forces...

Secondly, What makes reporters embedded with coalition forces acceptable but reporters embedded with the Taliban not?

Thirdly, I find it funny that you are telling people who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan that they should be ashamed and are aiding then enemy. What the fuck have you done that means you can sit on your high and mighty horse and judge others

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2010-08-29 21:34:42

#22

rdx-fx: ...; +955|6805

rdx-fx wrote:
He's a journalist, reporting from the other side of a conflict. As long as he's not actively participating in the conflict, and he is not using his Norwegian credentials to aid the other side in any way, more power to him....

Harmor wrote:
And how isn't this propaganda? You guys are actually trying to make a case for these terrorists. Do you guys know what they do to people? Do I need to mention all the atrocities they have committed?

You all should be ashamed of yourselves aiding and abetting the enemy. I hope to God that you don't have anyone you know in those convoys or anyone in Pakistan or Afghanistan that has been affected by the Taliban.

This, to me, is not free speech, this is treasonous. You don't, for example, have the right to yell fire in a crowded movie theater nor should should have the right to aid our enemies as they kill American citizens (or anyone in NATO), in the convoy.

This is war.

The minute that journalist turned on his camera as NATO troops were killed he became a Taliban sympathizer and no longer a journalist; he might as well have been pulling the trigger on the guns.

I wonder how many Norwegians were in that convoy?

Yes, I know what they do to people. Four generations of my family have been to that region while wearing an American uniform.

Accusations of "aiding and abetting the enemy" are more charged than you may realize.
I would advise you never utter such in a room with any military veterans in it.
It would be preferable to begin loudly bragging about what manner of beastial and lewd acts you would like to commit to all of those veterans wives, mothers, and sisters before throwing about accusations of treason, or "aiding and abetting the enemy"

I would just as soon see the Taliban wiped from the Earth for their evils, but I've no problem with a western journalist documenting their story. If you understand an evil, perhaps it won't be repeated. Like Nazi Germany. Let them tell their side of the story, so people can see firsthand what kind of assholes they really are. Let them condemn themselves, in their own words, for all of posterity to see.

2010-08-29 21:36:43

#23

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5571|London, England

So all the veterans who have weighed in have the same general opinion on the matter while cowardly basement dweller Harmor thinks he has all the answers because he read it on a blog. Sum it up well enough?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-08-29 21:38:46

#24

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6929

that man has some balls.

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2010-08-29 21:42:24

#25

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5571|London, England

JohnG@lt wrote:
So all the veterans who have weighed in have the same general opinion on the matter while cowardly basement dweller Harmor thinks he has all the answers because he read it on a blog. Sum it up well enough?

Whodathunkit. People that swore to defend the Constitution actually believe in freedom of speech while the one that didn't would happily piss on it.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

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