meh....I just hate old people.JohnG@lt wrote:
No, I wouldn't cut it outright. I'd grandfather it to anyone currently 40 years old or older. They paid into it, they should get their moneys worth.Reciprocity wrote:
if you cut medicare all the old people die so you don't have to worry about social security. Two old, dead birds with one stone.
The reason I dislike SS and Medicare isn't because they're underfunded and the money comes out of general taxation. I dislike that tremendously as well but my primary issue is this: People expect these programs to be there for them when they retire so far too many people have a blase approach to their retirement. We have a serious dearth of saving in this country and a commensurately serious 'live for the moment' attitude. People need to be responsible for their own retirement, their own investments, and stop financing everything on credit. Instead, what we have is a country full of economic morons who can't balance a checkbook because they really don't have to. Get in financial trouble, default, and they can't do shit to you. There's no debtors prison. The bill collectors can call you for the next century and all you have to do is screen your calls and ignore them.
The single biggest reason that people struggle financially in this country isn't the fucking wealth disparity or any other such nonsense. It's because we stopped teaching economics in school in favor of more literature classes. People drop thousands of dollars onto their credit cards without giving it a second thought. Most of them don't even realize that they end up paying for whatever they purchased twice or more times due to interest.
The government stepping in and giving people a helping hand has made them dependent and stupid. Best intentions etc...
Right. And your 'solution' is a parrot of the Republican party line. Do you possess any critical thinking skills or the ability to form an original thought?Harmor wrote:
Would you believe I never watch his show on Fox? And only listened to his radio program like twice? What I wrote had nothing to do with what Glen Beck believes on this subject. Personally, I don't know his exact position on this. Was simply responding with my solution to Social Security.JohnG@lt wrote:
Just shut up. You don't even know what you're talking about. If I wanted to read what Glenn Beck's thoughts are on the subject I'd watch his show.Harmor wrote:
My solution for Social Security requires a multi-step approach for different age groups:
- Age 18-54: Allow them to divert their payments into their 401K
- Age 55-64: Allow them to divert their payments into 401K or continue in the current system. Offer them a tax write off on the amount of money they have already contributed into the program - (would work like capital loss they can write off each year until its depleated).
- Age 65+: Allow them to stay on the program as is or to convert their payments into tax credits that they can use for themselves or against their estate for purposes of reducing the net worth of any inheritance they wish to leave.
Converting all government workers to a 401K system would also help alot. Soon 50% of the budgets in parts of California are going to just paying into the Pension system...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
That was an original thought. You believe anyone who poses a solution to privatizing Social Security is towing the Republican Party line? If so then I agree with them. You should too because you'll be paying into a system that you'll most likely never see any benefit from.
Its a giant ponzi scheme.
Its a giant ponzi scheme.
Here's an article in the Washington Post recouting what happened yesterday at the National Mall:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 06_pf.html via http://www.drudgereport.com/
Why is Al Sharpton upset? I would think celebrating MLK and what he did to advance the American psique would be appreciated?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 06_pf.html via http://www.drudgereport.com/
Why is Al Sharpton upset? I would think celebrating MLK and what he did to advance the American psique would be appreciated?
lol, teabaggers celebrating a socialist like MLK? they better be careful.
Watching too much MSNBC it seems. Maddow fan are ya?Reciprocity wrote:
lol, teabaggers celebrating a socialist like MLK? they better be careful.
MLK's civil rights record is something that we should all, as Americans, be proud of. No man is perfect (and yes I know about some of his transgressions...especially some of the stuff his surviving family members are doing with milking his name/image).
huh? Go read his 1967 SCLC presidential address and then tell me his message would be appreciated by today's conservative "libertarians".
Any decent American Citizen needs to Find out why she resigned, because the same tactic can be used on anyone.Reciprocity wrote:
"Now, I've been asked to speak today, not as a politician..."
No shit Sarah, you quit your fucking job.
remember the saying "As ye reap so shall ye sow "
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I probably didn't root for the same baseball team as him either, what he is known for is his work in civil rights.Reciprocity wrote:
lol, teabaggers celebrating a socialist like MLK? they better be careful.
It's glaringly obvious that you have just an overview of King and What he believed. In Fairness I only recently learned the depth of the man and his values.
PS You should learn what a tea bagger does before you becomes a Tea Bag-ie.
I guess he never played the BF2 in BF2S lol
its like watching penguins cross a street in heavy traffic ain't it ?
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Despite most of them being atheists/agnostic and supporting a secular society?Harmor wrote:
I think our Fore-Fathers would be proud to see a rally like this celebrating the American spirit. This is the kind of American I want for everyone.
GG Beck
"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
"They are here to kill us.If you are a good muslim, you will kill christians"
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
Dreary Murdoch drone pulls political stunt - wow thats interesting.
Fuck Israel
you are the last person who should be accusing someone of watching too much of a news channel when you make a thread telling us how a Fox News host hosting a bullshit rally would make the forefathers proud.Harmor wrote:
Watching too much MSNBC it seems. Maddow fan are ya?Reciprocity wrote:
lol, teabaggers celebrating a socialist like MLK? they better be careful.
MLK's civil rights record is something that we should all, as Americans, be proud of. No man is perfect (and yes I know about some of his transgressions...especially some of the stuff his surviving family members are doing with milking his name/image).
Seriously, what the fuck.
Think most of your founding fathers would be fucking horrified to see america in the state it is today.Harmor wrote:
I think our Fore-Fathers would be proud to see a rally like this celebrating the American spirit. This is the kind of American I want for everyone.
GG Beck
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
One of the most accurate posts I have ever seen on here. GG Galt.JohnG@lt wrote:
No, I wouldn't cut it outright. I'd grandfather it to anyone currently 40 years old or older. They paid into it, they should get their moneys worth.Reciprocity wrote:
if you cut medicare all the old people die so you don't have to worry about social security. Two old, dead birds with one stone.
The reason I dislike SS and Medicare isn't because they're underfunded and the money comes out of general taxation. I dislike that tremendously as well but my primary issue is this: People expect these programs to be there for them when they retire so far too many people have a blase approach to their retirement. We have a serious dearth of saving in this country and a commensurately serious 'live for the moment' attitude. People need to be responsible for their own retirement, their own investments, and stop financing everything on credit. Instead, what we have is a country full of economic morons who can't balance a checkbook because they really don't have to. Get in financial trouble, default, and they can't do shit to you. There's no debtors prison. The bill collectors can call you for the next century and all you have to do is screen your calls and ignore them.
The single biggest reason that people struggle financially in this country isn't the fucking wealth disparity or any other such nonsense. It's because we stopped teaching economics in school in favor of more literature classes. People drop thousands of dollars onto their credit cards without giving it a second thought. Most of them don't even realize that they end up paying for whatever they purchased twice or more times due to interest.
The government stepping in and giving people a helping hand has made them dependent and stupid. Best intentions etc...
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
yeah, a slave in the white house who isnt a servantpresidentsheep wrote:
Think most of your founding fathers would be fucking horrified to see america in the state it is today.Harmor wrote:
I think our Fore-Fathers would be proud to see a rally like this celebrating the American spirit. This is the kind of American I want for everyone.
GG Beck
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Tu Stultus Es
What an oxyMORONIC statement.Reciprocity wrote:
fundamentalist christian libertarians
wow, great personal jab there. really selling your point.Deadmonkiefart wrote:
What an oxyMORONIC statement.Reciprocity wrote:
fundamentalist christian libertarians
Tu Stultus Es
just like politicseleven bravo wrote:
wow, great personal jab there. really selling your point.Deadmonkiefart wrote:
What an oxyMORONIC statement.Reciprocity wrote:
fundamentalist christian libertarians
Dude if you read his username he can't have been older than 12 when he came up with that. So even after 1700 days on the forum he's still only about 16 and therefore an idiot with no idea what he's talking about.eleven bravo wrote:
wow, great personal jab there. really selling your point.Deadmonkiefart wrote:
What an oxyMORONIC statement.Reciprocity wrote:
fundamentalist christian libertarians
Guess you guys were not the only ones who ignored the Beck Rally:
Obama says he ignored Beck rally
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38906337/ns/nightly_news/ via http://www.drudgereport.com/
Obama says he ignored Beck rally
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38906337/ns/nightly_news/ via http://www.drudgereport.com/
Good to know he's got his priorities straight.
off topicPoseidon wrote:
you are the last person who should be accusing someone of watching too much of a news channel when you make a thread telling us how a Fox News host hosting a bullshit rally would make the forefathers proud.Harmor wrote:
Watching too much MSNBC it seems. Maddow fan are ya?Reciprocity wrote:
lol, teabaggers celebrating a socialist like MLK? they better be careful.
MLK's civil rights record is something that we should all, as Americans, be proud of. No man is perfect (and yes I know about some of his transgressions...especially some of the stuff his surviving family members are doing with milking his name/image).
Seriously, what the fuck.
I find it more sad than anything, but the best explanation is misplaced anger. Half of these people probably don't have a working knowledge of the Constitution.mikkel wrote:
This whole thing is great. These pompous demagogues organise a "non-political honor rally" and spend hours pandering to their core voters, and taking subtle and not-so-subtle jabs at the political opposition. Why do people buy in to this bullshit?
Take any group of people in the US, of any political persuasion, and your assessment would be statistically accurate.Turquoise wrote:
I find it more sad than anything, but the best explanation is misplaced anger. Half of these people probably don't have a working knowledge of the Constitution.mikkel wrote:
This whole thing is great. These pompous demagogues organise a "non-political honor rally" and spend hours pandering to their core voters, and taking subtle and not-so-subtle jabs at the political opposition. Why do people buy in to this bullshit?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular