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Amnesty International urged Saudi authorities on Friday not to medically paralyse a man in retribution for similar injuries he allegedly caused during a fight.
The London-based group quoted reports that a court in the northwestern town of Tabuk had approached a number of hospitals to ask if they could cut the man?s spinal cord in retribution, as requested by the victim.

"We urge the Saudi Arabian authorities not to carry out such a punishment, which amounts to nothing less than torture. While those guilty of a crime should be held accountable, intentionally paralysing a man in this way would constitute torture, and be a breach of its international human rights obligations," said Hassiba Hadj Sahraoui, acting director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme.

One hospital reportedly said it would be possible to medically administer the injury at the same place on the spinal cord as the damage the man allegedly caused his victim using a cleaver during a fight more than two years ago.

The court might decide not to impose the paralysis punishment and could instead sentence the man to imprisonment, financial compensation, or flogging.

The man, whose name has not been made public, has already been sentenced to seven months imprisonment for the offence. Amnesty said it had information that he was convicted and sentenced in a trial in which he had no legal assistance.
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He attacked and paralysed a man with a meat clever. The punishment seems fair considering the crime. Truthfully, I would have punished him with death. Attempted murder should be treated like murder IMO.
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11 Bravo
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I like this also.  +1 saudi
SenorToenails
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This is more reprehensible than the mans actions.  To have the state request that a doctor intentionally paralyze this guy...as punishment?

Yes, he deserves something--but how would any doctor that does this be any better than the guy they are doing this to?  Because the state said so?
11 Bravo
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the victim requested it.  did you not see that?  not just the state saying so.

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SenorToenails
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11 Bravo wrote:

the victim requested it.  did you not see that?
The victim requested that his attacker get paralyzed...what a shock!  How many people here say the same thing about people convicted of crimes?  It does not make it OK.

The London-based group quoted reports that a court in the northwestern town of Tabuk had approached a number of hospitals to ask if they could cut the man's spinal cord in retribution, as requested by the victim.
The victim requested it and the state is looking into actually doing it.
.Sup
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stupid people
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11 Bravo
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i know...and i see no issue with that.  punishment should fit the crime.  eye for an eye.  whatever.
Turquoise
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I support punishments fitting the crimes, but the following statement is worrisome.

Amnesty said it had information that he was convicted and sentenced in a trial in which he had no legal assistance.
I'm sure Saudi Arabia's practice of a fair trial isn't like our own, and that's the real issue here.  Harsh punishments are fine if the crime is harsh, but a fair trial is paramount for justice systems.
11 Bravo
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ya but amnesty always says that
SenorToenails
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11 Bravo wrote:

i know...and i see no issue with that.  punishment should fit the crime.  eye for an eye.  whatever.
I'm sure you agreed with this action too?  This isn't justice, it's vengeance.
Turquoise
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11 Bravo wrote:

ya but amnesty always says that
True, but it would still be interesting to see what evidence they have for this assertion.

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11 Bravo
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SenorToenails wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

i know...and i see no issue with that.  punishment should fit the crime.  eye for an eye.  whatever.
I'm sure you agreed with this action too?  This isn't justice, it's vengeance.
fucking right i agree with that.  here in the US he would get cable tv and three meals a day.  some punishment.
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An eye for an eye and soon the whole world is blind, right?

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Turquoise
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SenorToenails wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

i know...and i see no issue with that.  punishment should fit the crime.  eye for an eye.  whatever.
I'm sure you agreed with this action too?  This isn't justice, it's vengeance.
To a degree, yes.  But then again, we might as well call the justice system the vengeance system, because in practice, it functions this way far more often.

Justice is an idealistic concept that is hard to quantify and even harder to really administer.  Vengeance is generally the best that most societies accomplish.
SenorToenails
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11 Bravo wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

i know...and i see no issue with that.  punishment should fit the crime.  eye for an eye.  whatever.
I'm sure you agreed with this action too?  This isn't justice, it's vengeance.
fucking right i agree with that.  here in the US he would get cable tv and three meals a day.  some punishment.
And I would agree that prison should not have cable and all the other ameneties that it has.  I don't even have cable.  But such state sponsored violence is...not right, not to me anyway.
SenorToenails
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Turquoise wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

i know...and i see no issue with that.  punishment should fit the crime.  eye for an eye.  whatever.
I'm sure you agreed with this action too?  This isn't justice, it's vengeance.
To a degree, yes.  But then again, we might as well call the justice system the vengeance system, because in practice, it functions this way far more often.

Justice is an idealistic concept that is hard to quantify and even harder to really administer.  Vengeance is generally the best that most societies accomplish.
Justice is based on something more than just 'you did X, you get X'.  Vengeance is exactly that, and it's obtainable because it's the easy way.  It's also inhumane.  And then there is the possibility of wrongful conviction...because then you've just maimed the wrong guy.  What happens then?  Where is his vengeance?
11 Bravo
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would you agree that violent crime would drop dramatically if the punishments were like that here?
SenorToenails
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11 Bravo wrote:

would you agree that violent crime would drop dramatically if the punishments were like that here?
I don't know that it would.  Obviously there is still violent crime in places that practice this sort of punishment.
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When it comes to justice, Saudi Arabia isn't what I would call a shining example. Anyone remember in 2009/2008 when that woman was gang raped and she was sent to prison for 6 months or so because she was out alone and thus earned the raping meanwhile the offenders all got off real light (we're talking nothing all the way up to a few months)? You can still go to the ministry of justice in Riyadh and watch public executions by beheading, hanging and stoning. Every Wednesday at 12pm.
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mafia996630 wrote:

It is better to forgive.
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.Sup
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CapnNismo wrote:

When it comes to justice, Saudi Arabia isn't what I would call a shining example. Anyone remember in 2009/2008 when that woman was gang raped and she was sent to prison for 6 months or so because she was out alone and thus earned the raping meanwhile the offenders all got off real light (we're talking nothing all the way up to a few months)? You can still go to the ministry of justice in Riyadh and watch public executions by beheading, hanging and stoning. Every Wednesday at 12pm.
i bet it was the prince who did her. Since he's royalty he can get away with it. I believe he should be gang raped

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Beduin wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

It is better to forgive.
right i dont think you would say that if someone blinded you with acid.
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This thread makes me laugh so fucking hard.
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11 Bravo wrote:

Beduin wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

It is better to forgive.
right i dont think you would say that if someone blinded you with acid.
you can think what ever you want, but muslims do believe that it is a free ticket to paradise... to forgive
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