BF2S Forums Tipping

JohnG@lt wrote:

mikkel wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

I tip at restaurants if there's a jar or a line for it on the receipt. One buck minimum (Subway & shit), 20% (sometimes shared) maximum. Helps my peace of mind at joints where I'm a regular if I'm known to the staff to be a tipper.

It's ridiculous that it should even be a concern to begin with.

Why does it pain your sensibilities so much?

Why should it not pain my sensibilities to have to worry about that?

Ilocano wrote:

John, why does someone without even a high school diploma, expect to make $25 an hour for about 4 hours of work?  That's being conservative btw.  Our Chili's girl was working six tables and probably took in at least $40 in tip in the hour we were in.

I don't buy making up for those times when not enough customers are around.

Because it's not always busy and it's hard work when it is. You see six full tables while you're seated but the 'rush' on any given night only lasts about 2 1/2 hours. The rest of the time she's not making squat. Shifts aren't four hours by the way, they're 7-8 and trust me there's a lot of downtime. Do an eight hour shift on a Friday night and I guarantee you'll come home way more tired than you do from your office job.

It also varies by the season, by the weather, and by the day of the week.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

What about the tip jars at Starbucks?

I toss in a few pennies from my change if I have enough in my pocket already Tip jars are about as lame as it gets.

You don't tip the sushi chef or the meat market guy?.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

John, why does someone without even a high school diploma, expect to make $25 an hour for about 4 hours of work?  That's being conservative btw.  Our Chili's girl was working six tables and probably took in at least $40 in tip in the hour we were in.

I don't buy making up for those times when not enough customers are around.

Because it's not always busy and it's hard work when it is. You see six full tables while you're seated but the 'rush' on any given night only lasts about 2 1/2 hours. The rest of the time she's not making squat. Shifts aren't four hours by the way, they're 7-8 and trust me there's a lot of downtime. Do an eight hour shift on a Friday night and I guarantee you'll come home way more tired than you do from your office job.

It also varies by the season, by the weather, and by the day of the week.

Here in Cali, wait staff are paid the $8/hr minimum prior to tips...

JohnG@lt wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I toss in a few pennies from my change if I have enough in my pocket already Tip jars are about as lame as it gets.

You don't tip the sushi chef or the meat market guy?.

Sushi chefs get paid. My meat market guy is the local grocery stores shelf so... no

Yeah, but they have tip jars...

Helps my peace of mind at joints where I'm a regular if I'm known to the staff to be a tipper.

mikkel wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

mikkel wrote:

It's ridiculous that it should even be a concern to begin with.

Why does it pain your sensibilities so much?

Why should it not pain my sensibilities to have to worry about that?

That's not my only reason for tipping. Not only is it a part of my personal set of ethics, it honestly helps these people out.

Ilocano wrote:

What about the tip jars at Starbucks?

Those too. If Starbucks is a strain on my wallet, I shouldn't be going in the first place.

reading half of this thread it is easily concluded, if you are a liberal you do not tip, ( or if you do you will bitch about it) if you are a conservative, you tip well.

Fits the pattern quite well, that liberals are generous only with other peoples money, but when it comes to their own money, they abandon their own ideology. Go figure.

lowing wrote:

reading half of this thread it is easily concluded, if you are a liberal you do not tip, ( or if you do you will bitch about it) if you are a conservative, you tip well.

Fits the pattern quite well, that liberals are generous only with other peoples money, but when it comes to their own money, they abandon their own ideology. Go figure.

That's a stretch and a half... it's just a cultural thing man.

JohnG@lt wrote:

I don't put any money in tip jars, I liken it to begging. I also don't tip the garbage man or the mailman

Restaurant/bar staff is the only place I can think of that I actually tip. Oh, and cab drivers and my barber.

So basically your strategy for tipping is to tip people whose job you are either doing or could see yourself doing.

You argue that waiters deserve tips because their pay is low, and fast food operators don't because their pay is higher - but you don't want to see the pay of waiters raised to equal them.

'Libertarian' logic seems to fail uniformly.

Dilbert_X wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I don't put any money in tip jars, I liken it to begging. I also don't tip the garbage man or the mailman

Restaurant/bar staff is the only place I can think of that I actually tip. Oh, and cab drivers and my barber.

So basically your strategy for tipping is to tip people whose job you are either doing or could see yourself doing.

You argue that waiters deserve tips because their pay is low, and fast food operators don't because their pay is higher - but you don't want to see the pay of waiters raised to equal them.

'Libertarian' logic seems to fail uniformly.

No, fast food operators don't get tipped because they never leave the counter. They take your order, turn around, fill a bag and hand it to you. It's like going into any other store and buying the items behind the counter. There is no service provided beyond that of a retail clerk.

In all the years that I spent waiting tables, I've never heard a waiter complain that he or she wished they could trade their tips in for a steady salary. Never. Just because you find our way of doing things outlandish doesn't mean we're wrong and that they don't work spectacularly for us.

Waiting tables in America is the epitome of capitalism. You work hard, you get rewarded for it. In fact, the only time I didn't enjoy waiting tables was when I worked in an Irish pub where half the staff was off-the-boat Irish. They insisted on pooling tips and wondered why the higher earners kept quitting.

JohnG@lt wrote:

No, fast food operators don't get tipped because they never leave the counter. They take your order, turn around, fill a bag and hand it to you. It's like going into any other store and buying the items behind the counter. There is no service provided beyond that of a retail clerk.

In all the years that I spent waiting tables, I've never heard a waiter complain that he or she wished they could trade their tips in for a steady salary. Never. Just because you find our way of doing things outlandish doesn't mean we're wrong and that they don't work spectacularly for us.

Waiting tables in America is the epitome of capitalism. You work hard, you get rewarded for it. In fact, the only time I didn't enjoy waiting tables was when I worked in an Irish pub where half the staff was off-the-boat Irish. They insisted on pooling tips and wondered why the higher earners kept quitting.

Except the epitome of capitalism doesnt apply to garbage men or mail men.

To me getting 'service' in a restaurant is just not that important that I care whether its fast or slow.
Thats the weird part of the cultural difference, you guys attach importance to seeing people running around like mad, dancing attendance and getting your nibbles ASAP, most other cultures find this demeaning and trivial.

Obviously tips/reward are an essential part of capitalism, to narrow it to waiting staff and not bank tellers for example seems weird.
(Bank tellers here are unbelievably painfully slow)

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-08-10 21:03:30)

RTHKI wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Yes it is dumb, yes it is social convention, no you can't change it, yes you are fucking them over (in America at least) when you don't tip.

except when they fuck you over

That's my one exception. I wait 20 minutes for breakfast and get rubbery, obviously reheated eggs and pancakes...THEN no tip.

of course not when they fuck you over