no, you both are missing the point. BP can sue those contractors if they want, but the sole number one numero uno responsiblity is on BP.JohnG@lt wrote:
Berster is arguing that those directly at the scene had the most responsibility for preventing a blowout and a disaster. This is entirely logical and I happen to agree with Berster.
No, because the state has passed laws telling you not to do that. Just like BP had a contract in place telling them what to do.11 Bravo wrote:
so if i rape a chick at a bus stop the state is responsible?
right so the US can toss the book at BP yes?Bertster7 wrote:
No, because the state has passed laws telling you not to do that. Just like BP had a contract in place telling them what to do.11 Bravo wrote:
so if i rape a chick at a bus stop the state is responsible?
Did you read what I wrote?11 Bravo wrote:
right so the US can toss the book at BP yes?Bertster7 wrote:
No, because the state has passed laws telling you not to do that. Just like BP had a contract in place telling them what to do.11 Bravo wrote:
so if i rape a chick at a bus stop the state is responsible?
Since they hadn't told the contractors to fuck it up, or to cut corners which led to that happening, the responsibility lies with the contractors.
If BP had not taken adequate steps to ensure there were sufficient guidelines in place, then they would bear a portion of the responsibility - which is fair enough.
In real terms it won't be nearly so clear cut. But it seems clear that the bulk of the responsibility should lie with those who fucked up (Transocean) not their employers who were unaware.
If a McDonalds employee were to leap over the counter and stab someone, they would be arrested and locked up. McDonalds may take some flak for it, due to them allowing it to happen, but it would be a lighter penalty than that applied to their employee. This case is no different. I struggle to see why you find this concept so difficult to understand.
Actually, they're about to announce the fourth straight quarter of positive GDP growth...which would mean the recession is well and truly over.Mekstizzle wrote:
The simple fact is that the companies that were subcontracted were pretty much all American companies compared to BP, it's an election year and the US economy isn't going too well... they were never going to go after the American companies, it makes it all easier for the Americans when it was BP that was at the top of this operation and that they focus all their energy on them.
I heard that they were opening criminal proceedings against all companies involved in this, but so far I've only heard about BP getting in trouble.
Gotta find something else to blame those unemployment figures on now.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
true...and i heard the head british tool is being fired this week
guidelines? ya thats great putting crap down on paper and power points. actually doing them and making sure they are done is another thing.Bertster7 wrote:
Did you read what I wrote?11 Bravo wrote:
right so the US can toss the book at BP yes?Bertster7 wrote:
No, because the state has passed laws telling you not to do that. Just like BP had a contract in place telling them what to do.
Since they hadn't told the contractors to fuck it up, or to cut corners which led to that happening, the responsibility lies with the contractors.
If BP had not taken adequate steps to ensure there were sufficient guidelines in place, then they would bear a portion of the responsibility - which is fair enough.
In real terms it won't be nearly so clear cut. But it seems clear that the bulk of the responsibility should lie with those who fucked up (Transocean) not their employers who were unaware.
If a McDonalds employee were to leap over the counter and stab someone, they would be arrested and locked up. McDonalds may take some flak for it, due to them allowing it to happen, but it would be a lighter penalty than that applied to their employee. This case is no different. I struggle to see why you find this concept so difficult to understand.
There is a difference between being fired and standing down voluntarily when the entire board of directors are backing him.11 Bravo wrote:
true...and i heard the head british tool is being fired this week
He is going because he is someone who is good at the hands on running of the company and not at dealing with the media. They are replacing him with a media spindoctor type figure. This is only happening because of muppets in the American government.
He's getting millions in his settlement package.
I'm up $1545 on my BP purchase now...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Reasonable expectations.11 Bravo wrote:
guidelines? ya thats great putting crap down on paper and power points. actually doing them and making sure they are done is another thing.Bertster7 wrote:
Did you read what I wrote?11 Bravo wrote:
right so the US can toss the book at BP yes?
Since they hadn't told the contractors to fuck it up, or to cut corners which led to that happening, the responsibility lies with the contractors.
If BP had not taken adequate steps to ensure there were sufficient guidelines in place, then they would bear a portion of the responsibility - which is fair enough.
In real terms it won't be nearly so clear cut. But it seems clear that the bulk of the responsibility should lie with those who fucked up (Transocean) not their employers who were unaware.
If a McDonalds employee were to leap over the counter and stab someone, they would be arrested and locked up. McDonalds may take some flak for it, due to them allowing it to happen, but it would be a lighter penalty than that applied to their employee. This case is no different. I struggle to see why you find this concept so difficult to understand.
As with the example above - McDonalds can't be expected to have security in place who could immediately restrain an employee gone mad and stabbing people. Just as BP can't be expected to tightly monitor the behaviour of every contractor working for them, particularly when that contractor is a huge corporate entity in their own right and should be perfectly capable of performing their job properly.
Great time to buy. They'll be back up to their old price in no time.JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm up $1545 on my BP purchase now...
I bought at $33.13 and it's at $38.25 now.Bertster7 wrote:
Great time to buy. They'll be back up to their old price in no time.JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm up $1545 on my BP purchase now...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
reasonable? i think most people expect someone drilling under the fucking ocean for oil should inspect the work being done no? i swear do you know someone who works for british poop or is it a national thing for you?Bertster7 wrote:
Reasonable expectations.11 Bravo wrote:
guidelines? ya thats great putting crap down on paper and power points. actually doing them and making sure they are done is another thing.Bertster7 wrote:
Did you read what I wrote?
Since they hadn't told the contractors to fuck it up, or to cut corners which led to that happening, the responsibility lies with the contractors.
If BP had not taken adequate steps to ensure there were sufficient guidelines in place, then they would bear a portion of the responsibility - which is fair enough.
In real terms it won't be nearly so clear cut. But it seems clear that the bulk of the responsibility should lie with those who fucked up (Transocean) not their employers who were unaware.
If a McDonalds employee were to leap over the counter and stab someone, they would be arrested and locked up. McDonalds may take some flak for it, due to them allowing it to happen, but it would be a lighter penalty than that applied to their employee. This case is no different. I struggle to see why you find this concept so difficult to understand.
As with the example above - McDonalds can't be expected to have security in place who could immediately restrain an employee gone mad and stabbing people. Just as BP can't be expected to tightly monitor the behaviour of every contractor working for them, particularly when that contractor is a huge corporate entity in their own right and should be perfectly capable of performing their job properly.
A national thing?11 Bravo wrote:
reasonable? i think most people expect someone drilling under the fucking ocean for oil should inspect the work being done no? i swear do you know someone who works for british poop or is it a national thing for you?Bertster7 wrote:
Reasonable expectations.11 Bravo wrote:
guidelines? ya thats great putting crap down on paper and power points. actually doing them and making sure they are done is another thing.
As with the example above - McDonalds can't be expected to have security in place who could immediately restrain an employee gone mad and stabbing people. Just as BP can't be expected to tightly monitor the behaviour of every contractor working for them, particularly when that contractor is a huge corporate entity in their own right and should be perfectly capable of performing their job properly.
They are an Anglo-American company. Equal shareholder split - which is why they have been called BP and not British Petroleum for ages now. So yet again you've managed to be wrong on all counts.
They did inspect the work being done, but they can't monitor it at all times. They employed another company to do that for them, that company fucked it up.
So cheap!JohnG@lt wrote:
I bought at $33.13 and it's at $38.25 now.Bertster7 wrote:
Great time to buy. They'll be back up to their old price in no time.JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm up $1545 on my BP purchase now...
My damn Apple shares are $259 (but at least I get good options on them).
yes they can monitor at all times and the HQ is in london. keep playing dodgy games.Bertster7 wrote:
A national thing?11 Bravo wrote:
reasonable? i think most people expect someone drilling under the fucking ocean for oil should inspect the work being done no? i swear do you know someone who works for british poop or is it a national thing for you?Bertster7 wrote:
Reasonable expectations.
As with the example above - McDonalds can't be expected to have security in place who could immediately restrain an employee gone mad and stabbing people. Just as BP can't be expected to tightly monitor the behaviour of every contractor working for them, particularly when that contractor is a huge corporate entity in their own right and should be perfectly capable of performing their job properly.
They are an Anglo-American company. Equal shareholder split - which is why they have been called BP and not British Petroleum for ages now. So yet again you've managed to be wrong on all counts.
They did inspect the work being done, but they can't monitor it at all times. They employed another company to do that for them, that company fucked it up.
Up $2065 now Dems christmas presents baby!JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm up $1545 on my BP purchase now...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Storm in a teacup
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10867731Almost three-quarters of the oil spilled in the Gulf of Mexico has been cleaned up or broken down by natural forces, the US government has said.
A government report says only a quarter of the oil from the BP well remains and that it is "degrading quickly".
The majority has been captured, burned off or evaporated, it states. But more clean-up is necessary, officials warn.
Fuck Israel
Would love to see an independent report saying the same thing.
But the US govt always tells the truth.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Would love to see an independent report saying the same thing.
Fuck Israel
My brother got back on Thursday from the gulf. He's got some pretty wicked pictures and video of the giant flare they had going 24/7. Before he got home, he'd spent the prior four weeks at the leak and he says its not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. There's almost no surface oil, and what little there is looks more like the water that washes off your driveway after washing your car than the images of the heavy crude from the Exxon-Valdez spill washing up on shore.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Would love to see an independent report saying the same thing.
I'll get him to send me the pics he took and I'll upload some later.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
OMG you are in agreement with Rush Limbaugh...Dilbert_X wrote:
Storm in a teacuphttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10867731Almost three-quarters of the oil spilled in the Gulf of Mexico has been cleaned up or broken down by natural forces, the US government has said.
A government report says only a quarter of the oil from the BP well remains and that it is "degrading quickly".
The majority has been captured, burned off or evaporated, it states. But more clean-up is necessary, officials warn.
I think I see three dudes on horses coming down the street...one's got a sword...
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
40.66 now. God damn it's going back upJohnG@lt wrote:
Up $2065 now Dems christmas presents baby!JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm up $1545 on my BP purchase now...
Yep, $2279 now. I r genius.Cybargs wrote:
40.66 now. God damn it's going back upJohnG@lt wrote:
Up $2065 now Dems christmas presents baby!JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm up $1545 on my BP purchase now...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Who is Rush Limbaugh?FEOS wrote:
OMG you are in agreement with Rush Limbaugh...
I think I see three dudes on horses coming down the street...one's got a sword...
Fuck Israel