Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
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You guys said you wanted more scientific topics.

Summary:

http://www.physorg.com/news199591806.html

Paper is here:

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1007/1007.1750.pdf

Obviously I don't come close on understanding a lot of the math and I don't think there are many here who do, but there is still a lot you can get out of the paper itself if you're willing to read around a bit. Particularly sections I, IV, and V.

Type 1A supernovae are supernova that for whatever reason (wikipedia says the "accretion mechanism" whatever the fuck that is) we are reasonably certain of their wavelength in absolute terms, so they make ideal benchmarks when measuring their wavelengths to look for red shift.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_1a_supernovae

The theory being based in a three sphere essentially means it has no center point, which is useful compared to other models that need to have the universe "centered" somewhere, which doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense. It makes it generally preferable to something more standard like the FLRW model.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-sphere

They also get rid of dark matter because this model is based on shifting acceleration around anyways based on the constants "evolving", the whole dark matter thing seems pretty sketchy and it hasn't exactly predicted a lot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_constant

Generally it is interesting if nothing else, certainly nothing revolutionary at least until it predicts something. There are lots of nutzo models that seem to come together on paper, problem is if they can't actually predict something previously unknown they aren't worth a lot. Still it seems very elegant, certainly more than the alternatives I am aware of, and it fits the current data well enough. Though I'm not sure how they explain the cosmic microwave background.
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3-sphere is a 4 dimensional sphere. 
So, the progression would be point(?) = 1 dimensional, circle = 2 dimensional, Sphere = 3 dimensional, 3-sphere = 4 dimensional.

The theory seems very elegant, from the parts I can understand.
The math, though... it burnsssss....
(I do mechanical modeling of concept parts in my head on a daily basis, but.. trying to visualized 4D or nTH-Dimension universes, with time, space, mass, speed-of-light as variables?!  brain.  hurt. owwww.)

Paper takes basic assumptions, throws them out, replaces them with an elegant, simple, yet far reaching consequence.
Like most of the really monumental scientific theories, it takes a very messy, inelegant pile of data - looks at it for a different perspective, and shows how to use much simpler equations to explain it all.
(E=MC², V=IR, E = ½ mv², etc)

If this paper doesn't get completely blown out of the water on immediate peer review, I'm thinking it'll be one of those pivotal turning point papers referenced for the next 100 years.  Also looks like it's much more testable than most cutting edge physics theories.

What's that Wolfgang Pauli quote?  "That theory is so broken, it's Not Even Wrong" .. yeah, this paper avoids that pitfall by being very testable

It looks like it could be the "Hey, guys!  Y'know that whole pesky conflict between Relativity and Quantum Mechanics? I think I found the start point to make them compatible, follow me!" Theory.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
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On the math, it's not even like they are actually doing any math they are just referencing an insane amount of material from a layperson's viewpoint, the breadth is intense.

Now I don't know if we're talking about Theory of Everything kind of stuff here, like I said I am still more than a little skeptical because this hasn't actually predicted anything yet. Making a theory that unifies everything we already know is easy (from the standpoint of quantum mechanics and relativity as commonplace), making a theory that tells us more about the world around us than we already know and can be later verified, that's when you know you have a winner. It is backwards testable yes, but all the theories we have now have similar success in explaining the current data (though admittedly with a lot of dark matter constants without a whole lot of explanation behind it). String theory was the hot shizz in the 90s, the up and coming star that was going to unify everything into one big happy 13 dimensional family, and it still hasn't actually produced anything despite more than a decade of a lot of physics major pouring their lives into it.

Though yes I will give you it certainly has that elegance to it that all the major physics breakthroughs seem to have, that quality of "Hey you know how everything makes sense to be that way? Take everything you thought you knew and put it on it's head."

Now you've got me talking in quotes, when I started to put that in italics I knew that wasn't me and I picked it up off you.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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So...(if it holds) cracks open the possibility of faster-than-light travel, and gives creationists a stronger argument.

Very interesting. The implications on both the scientific and theological fronts are quite astounding, when you start peeling the onion.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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Falsifiability is good. As with everything else will wait until the post-peer review paper to make a judgement.

PS. Time being unbounded backwards is not a new or hugely novel concept, btw.

EDIT: Gah. Tensor analysis, what did I expect. So annoyed to not have done that already Will do my best to have a look at the maths though as that probably will be where problems lie if they are there.

EDIT2: Nothing on CMB or BAO. Unimpressed tbh. Making a theory to fit one set of data is very easy (and is usually done by judicious picking of constants/equations etc). Making it fir multiple datasets is not. Doing away with singularities is a bit odd as well - yes it is a "failing" of general relativity but mathematically it gives exactly the right answers for the observations we see in black holes.

Last edited by Spark (2010-07-30 06:53:26)

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finally a meaty science thingy
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