BF2S Forums A Nazi death camp guard has been charged over the murders of 430,000

this is what happens when you let pro-israel, zionist, revanchist lobby groups, politicians and public sentiment interfere with the due course to a fair trial and for justice to be fairly and reasonably administered. results that are made to please a political or social group, or to appease a majority of people with the example being made of one unlucky individual. undoubtedly a shit decision but... i guess it keeps the public happy. there's also a consideration in judicial precedent to consider the 'public good and utility' of a court-case decision: relying on utilitarian principles to consider how a judgement would effect every-day public life and opinion, the judge could have arrived at the conclusion that giving a nazi a modest sentence would cause great public upset.

pretty hard to defend, though.

it was pretty common back then for conscripts to bounce from one army to another to stay alive. 



this Korean kid was pressed into the Japanese army, then captured and impressed by the Soviets, then the Germans and was captured by allied forces During D-Day.

it sounds like this guy ended up in the wrong place.  Unless there's evidence that he was Josef Mengela's right hand man, just let it go.

Last edited by Reciprocity (2010-07-28 23:44:34)

It's real fuckin easy to defend, being a member of a political party is not illegal and following military orders does not make you legally responsible for what you are doing.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

and following military orders does not make you legally responsible for what you are doing.

erm.......no

krazed wrote:

i have a question

what would have happened to the guard/guards family if he refused the position?

OP wrote:

But during World War Two he was captured by the Germans and given the choice of either staying at a prisoner of war camp or cooperating with the Nazis

Being a Russian POW in the hands of the Germans was virtually a death sentence.

His choice was work for the Nazis or face probable death.
Unless he was a Nazi cheerleader and not just a guard then I'd say forget it at this point. If he did go above and beyond his minimum duty then fine, prosecute him.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-07-29 01:17:38)

Guard duty in a death camp aint exactly the same as being in the army... You gotta volunteer for that shit and even pass an ideological test afaik.

Don't expect to see Germans in courts for killing all sorts of other people. Gays/Roma/Disabled people etc...  nope, only Jews

Most people aren't even aware of the non-Jew atrocities

max wrote:

Just let it go. You're not prosecuting the soviets that raped and killed their way through the civilian population or the Allies responsible for the bombing campaigns against civilians or shooting of surrendered prisoners. Time to pardon everyone and move on.

but we're the good guys

Macbeth wrote:

Samuel Kunz, 88, allegedly served Hitler's Third Reich in the Belzec camp in occupied Poland during World War Two.

He is number three on a most wanted list of ex Nazis.

Kunz was charged after prosecutors said he served as a guard from January 1942 to July 1943 where it is claimed he helped exterminate Jews.

He is also accused of the shooting a total of ten Jews in two other incidents.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne … z0uzVfYWx4

I'm sorry but am I the only one who thinks that a lowly prison guard should not be held legally or morally responsible for the deaths of the Jewish people at the camp he was guarding? Even if he had not worked as a guard there, someone else would have and the Jews would have still been killed so you can't really blame him for it. He didn't plan or order the Holocaust.

Kunz, whose family is German, was born in August 1921 on Russia's Volga River and joined the Red Army, claims Klaus Hillenbrand, a German expert who has written several books on the Nazi period.

But during World War Two he was captured by the Germans and given the choice of either staying at a prisoner of war camp or cooperating with the Nazis, said Hillenbrand.

He wasn't even a full hard line Nazi party supporter, he was just a kid in his early 20's who didn't want to rot away in a POW camp after getting drafted into the Red Army. I can't help finding this case to be a complete waste of time and resources to be honest.

Was he GUARDING prisoners, or was he KILLING prisoners? If he was killing them then he is guilty.

poor guy who worked as a death camp guard who worked for the nazis

Turquoise wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Don't expect to see Germans in courts for killing all sorts of other people. Gays/Roma/Disabled people etc...  nope, only Jews

Most people aren't even aware of the non-Jew atrocities

No kidding...  They've definitely hijacked the issue...  especially in America.  Some of our history courses would make you think only Jews were killed by the Nazies.

Yeah, but if people knew that the Socialist and Communist parties were the first groups sent to Dachau, then it look silly for people to say that Obama is both a Nazi and a Marxist.

eleven bravo wrote:

poor guy who worked as a death camp guard who worked for the nazis

We're not 47th in education for nothing...  lol