BF2S Forums The Obama model, city by city

ATG wrote:

A fair question.

I say they both are operating on ideas from the book Rules For Radicals.


Bell and Maywood are not the cracks in the ice, they are the proof of bleeding lava making the ice crack. If that makes sense.


Strategic bankrupting of cities with an agenda, in other words.

Last edited by TSI (2010-07-17 16:58:35)

In the first chapter's opening paragraph, Alinsky writes,

    "What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away".[1]

Outlining his strategy in organizing Alinsky writes:

    "There's another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevski said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution. To bring on this reformation requires that the organizer work inside the system, among not only the middle class but the 40 per cent of American families – more than seventy million people – whose income range from $5,000 to $10,000 a year [in 1971]. They cannot be dismissed by labeling them blue collar or hard hat. They will not continue to be relatively passive and slightly challenging. If we fail to communicate with them, if we don't encourage them to form alliances with us, they will move to the right. Maybe they will anyway, but let's not let it happen by default."[2]

ATG wrote:

Community organizer?

In the first chapter's opening paragraph, Alinsky writes,

    "What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away".[1]

Outlining his strategy in organizing Alinsky writes:

    "There's another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevski said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution. To bring on this reformation requires that the organizer work inside the system, among not only the middle class but the 40 per cent of American families – more than seventy million people – whose income range from $5,000 to $10,000 a year [in 1971]. They cannot be dismissed by labeling them blue collar or hard hat. They will not continue to be relatively passive and slightly challenging. If we fail to communicate with them, if we don't encourage them to form alliances with us, they will move to the right. Maybe they will anyway, but let's not let it happen by default."[2]

See also;

Cloward and Piven’s article is focused on forcing the Democratic Party, which in 1966 controlled the presidency and both houses of the United States Congress, to take federal action to help the poor. They argued that full enrollment of those eligible for welfare “would produce bureaucratic disruption in welfare agencies and fiscal disruption in local and state governments” that would “deepen existing divisions among elements in the big-city Democratic coalition: the remaining white middle class, the white working-class ethnic groups and the growing minority poor.

ATG wrote:

These local politicians bankrupting small city governments in California are almost all Hispanic, La Raza.
It means The Race. They aren't stupid. They are following the same Rules For Radicals and Cloward Piven bankruptcy methods. They are also being not prosecuted by O's attorney general and they are supposedly being given mass amnesty ( another topic ).

ATG wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

The fuck are you on about? Are you going to defend your statement or interrogate me about my reading selections?

These local politicians bankrupting small city governments in California are almost all Hispanic, La Raza.
It means The Race. They aren't stupid. They are following the same Rules For Radicals and Cloward Piven bankruptcy methods. They are also being not prosecuted by O's attorney general and they are supposedly being given mass amnesty ( another topic ).



My opinion this Manufactured “Economic Collapse” will bring about riots and chaos in the streets worse than we are seeing in Greece and Spain. I wouldn't put it past this regime to stage another 9-11 or a Waco and blame it on the Tea Party Movement. I am telling you that what we see this fall will not be a double dip recession but a mindnumbingfucking disaster of a financial clusterfuck.


Let me remind you that imo the last real president we had was JFK, and you know what they did to him. Since then presidents have been told what to say and they haven't argued. I told you in another thread that there was clear evidence of all major economic upheavals since 1878 being caused and profited on by the same general bunch of fuckers.


Anyways, assuming Obama is all they say he is. Let us examine;

Alinsky wrote:

There's another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevski said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people.

Hope and change. The first black president. All of our racial sins forgiven. We accepted, or anointed him.

Alinsky wrote:

They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future.

That's America.
Aimless wars. Americans can feel humiliated, directionless, bankrupt, pissed and robbed by an asshole collection of worthless and/or evil politicians.

Alinsky wrote:

To bring on this reformation requires that the organizer work inside the system, among not only the middle class but the 40 per cent of American families – more than seventy million people – whose income range from $5,000 to $10,000 a year [in 1971]

Hail to our Community Organizer. " Obamas gonna pay my mortgage ".

Cloward and Piven wrote:

Poor people can advance only when “the rest of society is afraid of them,” Cloward told The New York Times on September 27, 1970. Rather than placating the poor with government hand-outs, wrote Cloward and Piven, activists should work to sabotage and destroy the welfare system; the collapse of the welfare state would ignite a political and financial crisis that would rock the nation; poor people would rise in revolt; only then would “the rest of society” accept their demands.”

The general theory is that at best Obama is spending America into massive unsustainable debt.


So the point was that those local L.A. small shitburg leaders paying themselves 800k per year are doing different thing towards the same end as Obama is; bankrupting government t force change.



Myself, I think the feds, or the central bankers, or whomever exactly is in charge wants nothing more than a nationwide riot as they are eager to try out martial law. Such revolutionary activities would do little more than expand the police powers and overwhelming force would be used ( see Waco ) and more authority would be seized.




That is why you ought to chuck that book Rules for Radicals and get some understanding on what made this country a great place by reading the Federalist Papers.