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An7 NZ
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And what weapons fall into those catagories?
Prodie
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Brasso
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+1,549|5963

well, the carbines tend to be made out of lighter materials than assault weapons....i think... i know the M4 falls into the category of a carbine, as does the G36 series of guns.  assault weapons would be more AK-74s and M16s.
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BolvisOculus
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+167|5952|Manitowoc, WI

haffeysucks wrote:

well, the carbines tend to be made out of lighter materials than assault weapons....i think... i know the M4 falls into the category of a carbine, as does the G36 series of guns.  assault weapons would be more AK-74s and M16s.
partly true.  all the spec ops weapons and all their unlocks are carbines so the g36c is a carbine.  but the medic g36e is an assault rifle and the support mg36 is an LGM

you can think of it like this:
Spec Ops: Carbines
Snipers: Sniper Rilfes (oh..realy?)
Assault: Assault Rifles (pretty duh too)
Engineers: Usually shotguns (the MP7 is SMG)
Support: LMG
Medic: Asault Rifles
Anti-Tank: Usually SMG (the DOA-12 is a shotgun)
Ikuza
Commander Disconnect
+-1|6133
Good to know. Now I can stop trying to use the SCAR to bring up my carbine ratio.
acEofspadEs6313
Shiny! Let's be bad guys.
+102|6026|NAS Jacksonville, Florida
I believe Carbines were invented around the time of WWII, but I'm not sure. They're lighter and fire faster than regular assault rifles.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6023|Tampa Bay Florida

acEofspadEs6313 wrote:

I believe Carbines were invented around the time of WWII, but I'm not sure. They're lighter and fire faster than regular assault rifles.
US M1 Carbine .  It was lighter and faster, but it was also weaker. But, of course, the German K98 rifle was technically a carbine, as was the US M1 Rifle.  Technically their carbines, but their function was as a rifle.  I think that's how it was.  Someone else will know more.
killerkebab
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What is the actual physical difference between a carbine and a rifle? Lighter material? Retractable stocks? Shorter barrels? Faster fire?
Rizen_Ji
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carbines are smaller, generally lighter, around the same rate of fire most of the time.

just think of them as cut-down versions of their assault rifle brothers. one example off the top of my head being the M4 carbine is pretty much a smaller version of the M16A2
Dsp-CS-
Claymore magnet
+98|6039|Alaska
Yep what he said, Carbines are shorter than Assault Rifles and they are mostly heavy
alpinestar
Member
+304|5929|New York City baby.
most carbines use small caliber ammo while assault rifles tend to have higher caliber but there is many differences other than those two

Last edited by alpinestar (2006-05-02 19:58:05)

Superior Mind
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+1,755|6026
the diff between an assault rifle and a carbine has only to do with barrel lenght. I think if the barrel is under 18" then it is a carbine, sumthing like that.
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|6053|California

Generally a rifle with a shortened barrel for ease of use. In modern armies, they have been largely replaced by assault rifles.
{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank
U.S. > Iran
+497|5911|Florida

stryyker wrote:

Generally a rifle with a shortened barrel for ease of use. In modern armies, they have been largely replaced by assault rifles.
this isnt necessarily true.  It may be in some cases, but in the U.S. military, in Iraq and Afghanistan, many soldiers are given the M4.  My friend in the USAF was issued an M4 and my friend in the Army was issued an M4 (he raided houses in Iraq).  It makes sense in urban areas for most of them to have the M4 for the fact its a shorter gun, and makes it easier to move around in rooms and buildings.

The carbines are just a smaller version of the assault rifle usually.  As previously said, the M4 is just a smaller version of the M16.  It uses the same ammo.

- I was referring to the part about being replaced by assault rifles fyi

Last edited by {BMF}*Frank_The_Tank (2006-05-02 20:29:49)

Marinejuana
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+415|5918|Seattle
However if you are asking about carbines in bf2, then yes, they are always less powerful than the assault rifles. They are also more accurate than the assault rifles, strangely enough.

It sounds like they are modeled to be exactly the opposite of how they are in reality. How does length of barrel affect the stopping power of a bullet in real life?

Maybe they made the carbines more accurate to account for the fact that spec ops carry them and would naturally be better at shooting than other specialists?
killerkebab
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Surely if the barrel is shorter, the gun should be less accurate, yes?
MrE`158
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+103|5956
In real life a carbine is very similar to an assault rifle, but it is lighter and shorter.  This makes carbines better suited to cramped conditions, such as inside buildings.  Carbines use rifle ammunition, but the shorter barrel means that they're less accurate over long range.

Carbines are generally bigger than Sub-machine guns, but the crucial distinction there is in the ammo.  SMG's use pistol ammo, carbines use rifle.

Carbines were originally designed for use by cavalry.  Using a full length rifle from horseback is far too difficult, so they were equipped with the lighter, shorter guns instead.  Later they were used by Dragoons (mounted infantry), who would ride up close, dismount and shoot, then ride away.  They didn't need the extra range, since they got up pretty close anyway.

I wasn't aware that in BF2 the carbines were more accurate than assault rifles.  Might make sense up close, but I hadn't noticed it at range.
Duncan1234
Member
+5|5936
carbines are the same as assault rifles but carbines hav smaller barrels n less power
Marinejuana
local
+415|5918|Seattle
Yeah, but in bf2 the carbines are pretty much all more accurate than the assault rifles.

min deviations (from UBAR):

assault rifles

ak101/47 - 0.45
m16 -        0.3
g3 -           0.4
f2000 -      0.43
g36e -       0.25

carbines

m4 -         0.2
qbz-97 -    0.2
ak74u -     0.25
g36e -       0.2
scar-l -      0.22

As you can see, the g36e and the m16 are the only assault weapons that approach the accuracy of the carbines.

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So if carbines use rifle ammo, shouldnt they be just as powerful, if not more powerful, than their larger counterparts? If the barrel causes any friction, then wouldnt the length of the barrel make the bullet less powerful?

In bf2 the carbines are clearly less powerful than the assault rifles.
GunSlinger OIF II
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carbines are rifles with a shorter barrel and stock.  Carbines are as old as fire arms themselves.  the origin of the pistol relies on the carbine, all they did was saw the barrel and stock off at first.  Carbines were historically used by cavalry units because it was easier to load (musket era) and holster/unholster.  Nowadays carbines are more suited to ground inftanry of today since most modern battles are urban and not in a landscape where rifle marksmanship is key.  Carbine are much more convenient it a MOUT environment when a long bulky rifle is a handicap when you have to move through hallways and pie corners.  Carbine rifles are made with close quarters combat in mind
Burning_Monkey
Moving Target
+108|6171

Marinejuana wrote:

So if carbines use rifle ammo, shouldnt they be just as powerful, if not more powerful, than their larger counterparts? If the barrel causes any friction, then wouldnt the length of the barrel make the bullet less powerful?
Carbines are less powerful because there is less barrel length for the bullet to travel down.  The bullet is accelerating all the way down the barrel for the most part and the muzzle flash is the unburnt powder burning away at the very end.

Shorter barrel, less powder gets burned behind the bullet, the bullet goes slower, thus the carbine is less powerful than a full sized rifle.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|5977
less powerful and less accurate but only after longer distances 300 meters +.  Up close there really isnt much of a reduction in either

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2006-05-03 13:34:30)

Burning_Monkey
Moving Target
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

less powerful and less accurate but only after longer distances 300 meters +.  Up close there really isnt much of a reduction in either
True enough.  But the difference is there.

Having not shot a lot of carbines, I couldn't really tell you one way or another.  Other than in general longer barrel, is more powerful and more accurate.

But accuracy has more to do with sight radius than it does barrel length.  And the power increase isn't going to be a whole hell of a lot to begin with.

And for clarification there are a couple of different M1 rifles.  The M1 Garand is a full sized rifle.  The M1A is also a full sized rifle (this is what the M21 sniper rifle is based on) but the M1 Carbine is, well, a carbine.

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