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2010-07-04 11:01:54

#651

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6842|SE London

lowing wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
lowing wrote:
Holy Shit!! You have argued against this site and me, and what is cited AT LENGTH, and you have not even been there or read anything in it?? Wow. Is this true for Uzi as well?

I think we are done. Just out of curiosity however, were you able to open Uzi's source? I am betting you were.

Gotta love your govt. doing your thinking for you. Congratulations
So, back to the point - provide the evidence for points 1 and 3 and go over how you think that Muslims protesting over images offensive to Muslims is the same as a non-extremist majority of Muslims dancing in the streets about bombings.
Sorry can't help you, your govt. has decided for you that you are not supposed to read such things. Just know, that when you are able to make it to a free country, the information you request is there waiting for you.

My ISP, not government. The fact that it is censored in this way shows it is a shit source not worth reading. But if you say there is useful information and evidence in there, by all means, provide it.

lowing wrote:
Never made any claims about the majority of Muslims. Fact is, there were Muslims celebrating all over the world, the 911 bombings, and there were Muslims all over the world, rioting over cartoons. these Muslims were not suicide bombers, or running around with RPG's, and probably have not cut off anyones head.

You made a claim that they were not extremists. They were extremists. Extremism is extreme behaviour, not limited to suicide bombing or running around with RPGs. No one is questioning the fact there are some Muslim extremists but they are a minority and are not representative of the majority of Muslims or Islam as a whole. The actions and beliefs of the majority of the Muslim community are what defines Islam (along with the historical teachings of course).

lowing wrote:
This coupled with the fact that it does not take more than "a few", to destroy a city. the motivation is there, the religious justification is also there ( in their eyes), and our freedoms and rights and trust, ( obviously not yours) fully accommodates such an event (again).

Which city did these protestors destroy? I must've missed that.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2010-07-04 11:02:55)

2010-07-04 11:11:36

#652

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6731

lowing wrote:
Uzique wrote:
lol only lowing could think that one of his sources being blocked for racism and thus unreadable is a 'victory' for his side.

goddamn our government for not allowing such rationalist philosophers and brilliant intellectuals a platform to spread their hate upon.
lol, you argued for 26 pages and never even read anything posted, yet was convinced it was not worth reading, or was trash. You look like a jack-off based on this alone. Also it is telling YOUR hero Jim Sutter was allowed through your govt. flters.

Never again claim how we are spoonfed, asshole. If anyone is spoonfed it is you. By your own govt. How pathetic. 26 pages and you have not and were not allowed to read anything posted and still you condemn what you have not read.. Yet you condemn me for not reading the Koran, What a fuckin jack off. We are done.

dude i can read it just fine - his ISP/work internet have decided it is racist content.

the UK government do not block websites for the entire UK people. don't be silly. this isn't communist china.

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2010-07-04 11:13:31

#653

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5846

With the exception of Bert, Uzi, and lowing, is anyone even reading these?

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2010-07-04 11:14:47

#654

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6731

do you 'evening' read your own posts?

rofl.

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2010-07-04 11:16:17

#655

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5846

typo oops

2010-07-04 11:16:41

#656

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6912|USA

Uzique wrote:
lowing wrote:
Uzique wrote:
lol only lowing could think that one of his sources being blocked for racism and thus unreadable is a 'victory' for his side.

goddamn our government for not allowing such rationalist philosophers and brilliant intellectuals a platform to spread their hate upon.
lol, you argued for 26 pages and never even read anything posted, yet was convinced it was not worth reading, or was trash. You look like a jack-off based on this alone. Also it is telling YOUR hero Jim Sutter was allowed through your govt. flters.

Never again claim how we are spoonfed, asshole. If anyone is spoonfed it is you. By your own govt. How pathetic. 26 pages and you have not and were not allowed to read anything posted and still you condemn what you have not read.. Yet you condemn me for not reading the Koran, What a fuckin jack off. We are done.
dude i can read it just fine - his ISP/work internet have decided it is racist content.

the UK government do not block websites for the entire UK people. don't be silly. this isn't communist china.

"goddamn our government for not allowing such rationalist philosophers and brilliant intellectuals a platform to spread their hate upon"

^^^^^^^your words, right??

2010-07-04 11:32:37

#657

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6731

i was referring to the website being taken offline as a legal injunction... sorry, misunderstanding there.

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2010-07-04 11:40:03

#658

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6761|so randum

seriously can this thread just fucking die. EVERY FUCKING MONTH something re; islam comes up, and it ends up with lowing v whoever butting heads for page after page while NOTHING GETS DEBATED. this is just sheer face into wall shite and it wont stop. hardly debate and fucking serious talk.

Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella

2010-07-04 11:44:02

#659

Beduin: Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid; +510|6011|شمال

Salam Alikum

الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic

2010-07-04 13:17:49

#660

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6912|USA

Uzique wrote:
i was referring to the website being taken offline as a legal injunction... sorry, misunderstanding there.

legal injunction? what legal injunction? Can you link me to this, and to who filed for the injunction?

Still waiting for proof of:

1. site being removed by the govt. because of hate.

2. PO box being closed by the govt. because of racism.

Oh and don't forget, you need something other than Jim Sutters word for this. Because, ya know, you championed a con-artist as your source, and unlike Glen Reinsford ( so far), he has been proven as such.

2010-07-04 13:26:35

#661

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6912|USA

FatherTed wrote:
seriously can this thread just fucking die. EVERY FUCKING MONTH something re; islam comes up, and it ends up with lowing v whoever butting heads for page after page while NOTHING GETS DEBATED. this is just sheer face into wall shite and it wont stop. hardly debate and fucking serious talk.

Really, all ya gotta do is stop reading. How hard is it to stay in your own arguments and leave those that choose to engage in this thread engage in it? No one is forcing any of you bitching about me or any thread I enter to read what I post or respond to it. If you decide you are too superior to read my posts then simply don't, mind your own business, and enter a thread I do not feel like contributing. Sound reasonable?

2010-07-04 13:43:10

#662

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5439|Sydney

lowing wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
Well, I could argue that the US is a violent nation, because it has the highest instance of gun deaths per year in the world. I could argue all Americans are gun-toting lunatics, and could cite a hundred sources to back up my claims and rationale. But I don't. Why? Because despite this I can still use my brain and understand that these instances are exceptions rather than the norm. Something lowing can't seem to do when he talks/thinks/perceives Islam.

There are undoubtedly more peaceful muslims in the world than not BY FAR. Yet lowing takes the minority as some weird leverage to say this is the norm - just basing it purely on numbers indicates otherwise.

You can pull anything that fits your argument out of the Quran as evidence, just like anyone could pull anything out of the Bible that fits any argument they choose to make. In both cases you simply wind up appearing to be a narrow minded bigot, whether this is your intention or not.

Not that saying any of this will make any impact, any objective reasoning such as this is wasted on some deaf ears and a narrow mind.
Islamic Apologist playbook.

Dismiss. check
Deny
Ignore
Emulate superiority..check

You forgot:

Win... check

2010-07-04 13:49:07

#663

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6912|USA

Jaekus wrote:
lowing wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
Well, I could argue that the US is a violent nation, because it has the highest instance of gun deaths per year in the world. I could argue all Americans are gun-toting lunatics, and could cite a hundred sources to back up my claims and rationale. But I don't. Why? Because despite this I can still use my brain and understand that these instances are exceptions rather than the norm. Something lowing can't seem to do when he talks/thinks/perceives Islam.

There are undoubtedly more peaceful muslims in the world than not BY FAR. Yet lowing takes the minority as some weird leverage to say this is the norm - just basing it purely on numbers indicates otherwise.

You can pull anything that fits your argument out of the Quran as evidence, just like anyone could pull anything out of the Bible that fits any argument they choose to make. In both cases you simply wind up appearing to be a narrow minded bigot, whether this is your intention or not.

Not that saying any of this will make any impact, any objective reasoning such as this is wasted on some deaf ears and a narrow mind.
Islamic Apologist playbook.

Dismiss. check
Deny
Ignore
Emulate superiority..check
You forgot:

Win... check

Nope, I am fully aware that by dismissing, denying, ignoring, and prjoecting superiority, over substance, material, evidence, basically an argument, that you, by default, claim a win. I have been here long enough to understand this.

2010-07-04 13:52:28

#664

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5439|Sydney

You're all hot air and no substance though tbh... and by going on a lot of the comments one can read around here, it seems like a lot of people have been around to understand this a loooooong time ago.

2010-07-04 13:56:33

#665

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6912|USA

Jaekus wrote:
You're all hot air and no substance though tbh... and by going on a lot of the comments one can read around here, it seems like a lot of people have been around to understand this a loooooong time ago.

sorry ya feel that way.

2010-07-04 14:33:04

#666

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7032|PNW

FatherTed wrote:
seriously can this thread just fucking die. EVERY FUCKING MONTH something re; islam comes up, and it ends up with lowing v whoever butting heads for page after page while NOTHING GETS DEBATED. this is just sheer face into wall shite and it wont stop. hardly debate and fucking serious talk.

If we close it here, it'll pop up somewhere else.

2010-07-04 20:44:30

#667

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6935|Canberra, AUS

Jaekus wrote:
You're all hot air and no substance though tbh... and by going on a lot of the comments one can read around here, it seems like a lot of people have been around to understand this a loooooong time ago.

Years ago.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-07-05 08:06:11

#668

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6912|USA

lol, you say this shit, at the same time you chastise me for my sources, and champion Uzi for his sources. You condemn my source not, based on facts, ( because you have never addressed them) but merely because you do not want to agree with them. You accept Uzi source when it has been proven to be that of a con-artist and a fraud, but you want to agree with it so pat him on the back, you high five him and you shower him with praise for his "BRILLIANT POST" and steadfast "research".
Then after all of this, you have the nerve to scream bias on my part? Bias, when you refuse to hold the same standard of scrutiny for shit you want to believe ( even though it has been proven questionable to say the least), to that you do not want to believe? You hold proven bullshit as sacred, and claim anything presented to the contrary of your proven bullshit as lacking substance.

Do you hear yourselves in your arguments or is the point of it all, to bash lowing at the expense of your own integrity so you can pass around karma? Is this what you all are content to being reduced to? Is that your whole point? Really?

2010-07-05 08:15:32

#669

..teddy..jimmy: Member; +1,393|6910

Fuuuuuck that.

2010-07-08 06:52:00

#670

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6912|USA

Hey Look! Islam is moving toward equality between men and women, It is going to strive to fuck them both over!! There is hope yet!!

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/07/ … =allsearch

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2010-07-08 07:30:54

#671

nlsme1: Member; +32|5678

Lowing, you know how many fucked things some people in ALL religions do? And a mosque next to the wtc and this have what to do with each other? I mean, haircuts. Really?

2010-07-08 07:34:51

#672

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6912|USA

nlsme1 wrote:
Lowing, you know how many fucked things some people in ALL religions do? And a mosque next to the wtc and this have what to do with each other? I mean, haircuts. Really?

Dismiss...check

2010-07-08 07:46:27

#673

nlsme1: Member; +32|5678

How is asking you to explain the correlation a dismissal? I mean, ffs, really, haircuts?

2010-07-08 09:29:16

#674

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6912|USA

nlsme1 wrote:
How is asking you to explain the correlation a dismissal? I mean, ffs, really, haircuts?

You might wanna go back and read a bit, this thread has moved beyond simply a mosque in NY. It has addressed the very fabric of Islam, its intolerance and it archaic back ass-wards rules.

Or do you think it normal where a religion governs fuckin haircuts, punishable by rule of Islamic law? and do you really think this is a religion suited for western society, our freedoms, and our tolerances?

2010-07-08 10:08:49

#675

nlsme1: Member; +32|5678

It is no less "normal" then what any other religion asks. And this is NOT the religion, rather, ONE interpretaion of it. They already ARE part of western society. I am sorry, I guess I never realized just how off topic you had gotten. Haircuts, wtf was I thinking.

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