lowing
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nlsme1 wrote:

I already agreed SOME muslims are violent. You are dismissing the violence of christians. It is hypocrisy.
That is not what I said and is not my argument, try again
nlsme1
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You said we are at war with Islam. You then said Islam is at war with us. You use the violence perpetrated by SOME muslims to base that arguement, yet you dismiss the violence from SOME christians. Some muslims ARE violent, most aren't, and the religion itself is most definatly not. Just as SOME christians are violent, most aren't, and the religion most definatly is not.
Bertster7
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lowing wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

I already agreed SOME muslims are violent. You are dismissing the violence of christians. It is hypocrisy.
That is not what I said and is not my argument, try again
You have rountinely denied or dismissed any examples of violence by Christians.

You have also routinely made false accusations about Muslims based on no evidence whatsoever and about terrorism in general. These claims include:

No Islamic terrorism in the US since 9/11; Most hijackers are Muslims; No suicide bombers in the US since 9/11 - there are loads more, this is just from memory.

If you can't get the basics right then what are you basing your opinion on? Hearsay and propaganda by the sounds of it.
Bertster7
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lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

So lowing - if I were to contact one of the top experts on fascism in the world and get their opinion on whether Obama's administation is fascist, would you accept that as evidence?

Would an email from one of the very top experts in the field sway your opinion?
About as much as any expert I cited that his actions were fascist would convince you.

How about the experts that claim Islam is intolerant and violent, are they convincing you?
I have had a response from the Oxford professor specialising in definitions of fascism. His response is as follows:

This is what I wrote for the website History News Network (check out
http://hnn.us/articles/122469.html)
You are, of course, dead right and only people who are historically illiterate, politically ingenuous or of bad (neo-con) faith could maintain that there is any connection between Obama and
fascism!
That is what Roger Griffin makes of you stance on Obama and fascism.

Do you now accept that you're wrong on that?

Last edited by Bertster7 (2010-06-30 12:43:58)

Uzique
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you actually troubled an oxford professor for help against one of lowing's ideological neo-con rampages?

rofl.

that poor bloke.

and LOL, he's a professor at oxford brookes. you do realize oxford brookes is one of the shittest universities in the country?

how awful; you're both battling against one another with horrific sources.

Last edited by Uzique (2010-06-30 12:36:47)

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eleven bravo
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every time i "debate" lowing, i lose a little bit of respect for myself
Tu Stultus Es
11 Bravo
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oksferd
Bertster7
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Uzique wrote:

you actually troubled an oxford professor for help against one of lowing's ideological neo-con rampages?

rofl.

that poor bloke.

and LOL, he's a professor at oxford brookes. you do realize oxford brookes is one of the shittest universities in the country?

how awful; you're both battling against one another with horrific sources.
Actually it's rated as the top modern university in the country by the Sunday Times guide - which is pretty much the benchmark. He's also one of the top experts on fascism around. I checked up on him rather than the university he teaches at - which from my very brief check just now shows it as being a pretty good university.
Uzique
dasein.
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oxford brookes is not the fucking best university in the country - not by a long shot

you do realize 'modern university' is a new-labour euphemism for ex-polytechnic, right?

credible guy or not, don't add the epithet of 'oxford professor' to your argument. he isn't an oxford don, plain and simple.
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11 Bravo
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posh fight
Macbeth
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11 Bravo wrote:

oksferd
Wasn't that the place Uzique lied about attending for like a year a a half?
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6730
has nothing to do with personal issues or class at all - stop being an idiot.

just as lowing uses bullshit sources to substantiate his arguments, i resent bertster artificially inflating his own counter-measure with the false 'oxford don' source. okay you're sourcing an academic - a professor - but there's a whole range of academics out there ranging from outspoken nutjobs to ultra-conservative traditionalists. if you're going to use a third-party source, at least be truthful about it.

nice of you to come in with a poorly-timed and poorly-informed snipe, macbeth. /wave. don't worry your little head, we're not talking about serious academic institutions here - oxford brookes is almost as bad as the shitty community college you go to. don't get your little inferior panties in a twist just yet!

Last edited by Uzique (2010-06-30 12:47:47)

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Bertster7
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Uzique wrote:

oxford brookes is not the fucking best university in the country - not by a long shot

you do realize 'modern university' is a new-labour euphemism for ex-polytechnic, right?

credible guy or not, don't add the epithet of 'oxford professor' to your argument. he isn't an oxford don, plain and simple.
Well, he's a professor, in Oxford.

It's not untrue - just a bit deceptive. I would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for you pesky elitists....


Either way, the guy is rated as one of the top experts in defining fascism (as far as 5 mins of Googling shows) and the article he linked to explains the issue very clearly and he is pretty clear that lowing is wrong.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2010-06-30 12:48:39)

Uzique
dasein.
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dude i could be a prep-school teacher at the Dragon School and say "I teach in Oxford". doesn't mean a thing. there are tons of educational establishments in and around Oxford town that have nothing to do with the official colleges of the University. Oxford Brookes is ranked at like 60 out of 120 in the UK by most overall guides; "best modern University" and "oxford professor" are two VERY misleading props to a flimsy bit of third-party sourcing.

it wouldn't bother me that much if it wasn't for the fact that, to be fair to lowing, 50% of the counter-arguments against him are inane swipes at his sources.
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Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
+510|6009|شمال

11 Bravo wrote:

so...entire muslim countries still opress women, let girls burn in a school, throw acid on women, etc........
Afghanistan? Where else? Iraq?
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
+510|6009|شمال

lowing wrote:

well I typed in "convert or kill" in google.
I  lol'd!
...allow me
https://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee37/Middleeaster/2_256.png

Read more: http://quran.com/
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6730
i can guarantee your post will shoot right over lowing's head...

and who karma'd me about Said? i'd love a further discussion about him. i only discovered his works earlier this year and find them extremely interesting.
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lowing
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Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

So lowing - if I were to contact one of the top experts on fascism in the world and get their opinion on whether Obama's administation is fascist, would you accept that as evidence?

Would an email from one of the very top experts in the field sway your opinion?
About as much as any expert I cited that his actions were fascist would convince you.

How about the experts that claim Islam is intolerant and violent, are they convincing you?
I have had a response from the Oxford professor specialising in definitions of fascism. His response is as follows:

This is what I wrote for the website History News Network (check out
http://hnn.us/articles/122469.html)
You are, of course, dead right and only people who are historically illiterate, politically ingenuous or of bad (neo-con) faith could maintain that there is any connection between Obama and
fascism!
That is what Roger Griffin makes of you stance on Obama and fascism.

Do you now accept that you're wrong on that?
let me guess, socialist right?


have your professor actually address some of the points of the argument
http://www.examiner.com/x-27672-Portlan … -a-fascist

ya know, instead of, like most of you, simply decree you are right and everyone else is wrong.

I do question anyone that uses the term neo-con...What is next is he gunna claim that he pwned me?

Last edited by lowing (2010-06-30 22:09:17)

lowing
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Uzique wrote:

has nothing to do with personal issues or class at all - stop being an idiot.

just as lowing uses bullshit sources to substantiate his arguments, i resent bertster artificially inflating his own counter-measure with the false 'oxford don' source. okay you're sourcing an academic - a professor - but there's a whole range of academics out there ranging from outspoken nutjobs to ultra-conservative traditionalists. if you're going to use a third-party source, at least be truthful about it.

nice of you to come in with a poorly-timed and poorly-informed snipe, macbeth. /wave. don't worry your little head, we're not talking about serious academic institutions here - oxford brookes is almost as bad as the shitty community college you go to. don't get your little inferior panties in a twist just yet!
ahh again with the "bullshit sources".... The same sources that you have yet to show as a lie. Stop attacking the sources and start attacking the information.
lowing
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Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

well I typed in "convert or kill" in google.
I  lol'd!
...allow me
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee37 … /2_256.png

Read more: http://quran.com/
Allow me


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages … .htm#2-256


next.
Beduin
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And that my dear friend, is pure BS
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
lowing
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Beduin wrote:

And that my dear friend, is pure BS
what is with you guys? Stop just decreeing that you are right and everyone else is wrong. I post arguments, post some back. Just don't tell me you are right. Show me how you are right and that the link posted is wrong.

Last edited by lowing (2010-07-01 03:02:34)

Varegg
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lowing wrote:

Beduin wrote:

And that my dear friend, is pure BS
what is with you guys? Stop just decreeing that you are right and everyone else is wrong. I post arguments, post some back. Just don't tell me you are right. Show me how you are right and that the link posted is wrong.
It's actually not everyone else ... it's mostly just you lowing.

And valid arguments does not work well on a rock like you, whatever is presented to you are swiftly disregarded or overlooked to you can maintain the bubble of paranoia you live in ...

It's like Uzique said with just a few more words than me: You can't see the forest lowing because all the trees are blocking your view ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
lowing
Banned
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Beduin wrote:

And that my dear friend, is pure BS
what is with you guys? Stop just decreeing that you are right and everyone else is wrong. I post arguments, post some back. Just don't tell me you are right. Show me how you are right and that the link posted is wrong.
It's actually not everyone else ... it's mostly just you lowing.

And valid arguments does not work well on a rock like you, whatever is presented to you are swiftly disregarded or overlooked to you can maintain the bubble of paranoia you live in ...

It's like Uzique said with just a few more words than me: You can't see the forest lowing because all the trees are blocking your view ...
more tap dancing
lol I dunno give it a try for once and lets find out.

show how thw source is wrong. I mean you do realize I post links to back up my opinion and you all mostly post attacks on the links or me, and not hte info provided, ya know that right?

Last edited by lowing (2010-07-01 03:18:49)

mcminty
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lowing wrote:

Show me ... that the link posted is wrong.
Have you shown that it is.. right?

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