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We place the cause of the Irish Republic under the protection of the Most High God, Whose blessing we invoke upon our arms, and we pray that no one who serves that cause will dishonour it by cowardice, inhumanity, or rapine. In this supreme hour the Irish nation must, by its valour and discipline and by the readiness of its children to sacrifice themselves for the common good, prove itself worthy of the august destiny to which it is called.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-05-27 06:42:05)

The_Guardsman wrote:

Most of what you mentioned was before my time and WHEN l did my training l was'nt taught all that. Not being funny mate, but alot of people join the Army to make good mates, get paid, they cant find work else where and do adventure training. Not go to another place to be treated like shit by the locals. Would you if the roles were reversed be all happy and smiley?
Glad you do think that the IRA are terrorists. I can see that you had a bad time at the hand of the British Army and can see why your not overly joyed with them, but remember we're not all like that and l tried to be friendly to people over there. Some said hello, others just spat at me and tried to kill me.

The former head of the British Army has said he believes innocent people were shot on Bloody Sunday.

JahManRed wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

The former head of the British Army has said he believes innocent people were shot on Bloody Sunday.

He's fairly changed his tune!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6699729.stm

He could have said that in the  Widgery Inquiry 35 years ago. He didn't, he let the British army and Unionist population in Northern Ireland have a justification by insinuating that all the ppl shot were involved in shooting or blast bomb throwing.
It puts it in context when you consider that the incident and subsequent cover up ignited the troubles and acted as the IRA's best recruiting Sargent. If this Solder and others had come forward and therefore satisfied the enraged nationalists need for a transparent inquiry forcing the solders involved to testify, who's to know how many lives would have been saved.
He guaranteed decades of struggle and heartache for the families who were trying in vein to clear their relatives of blame.

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2007-05-29 08:21:40)

The_Guardsman wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

One victim was found to have a bullet pass through one underarm and out the other ...he had his arms in the air.
Aye, probably waving a White handkerchief in the air - there is no evidence to support the claim that any civilian was firing a rifle, & also the question surrounding the legitimacy of the 4 "nail Bombs"

I have a book at home called Bloody Sunday Lord Widgery's report 1972. The chap l think your on about when examined had lead deposits on his scarf and hands, which indicates he had used a fire arm.
Had a flick through the book and it says of the deceased

5 had no evidence of having used fire arms or nail bombs, but some had been near others that had
8 Had evidence of using fire arms or throwing nail bombs

It also mentions one of the dead was found with 4 nail bombs in his clothing and that one of the injured was hit by a low-velocity round fired wildly by a civie.

I can't in an instance belive that Soldiers just open fire for fits and giggles. I belive they were provoked into firing, granted it maybe over the top l will admit that and innocents people died, but heres a quote from the book.
"There would have been no deaths in Londonderry on 30th of January if those who organised the illegal march had not thereby created a highly dangerous situation in which a clash between demonstrators and the security forces was almost inevitable."

At the end of the day the terrorists that committed the bombings and killing of  British soldiers, RUC officers and Civilians are all free.
I belive that the IRA and other groups such as the LUF, UVF, CIRA, PIRA, RIRA and the such are terrorists and not freedom fighters, maybe years ago the IRA could have been classed as freedom fighters, but now ,no. As soon as you start killing Innocent civilian by executing and bombings and doing illegal activities such as drug dealing, extortion and the such are terrorists and nothing more!

Dilbert_X wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

well I reckon after today mate you can throw that "shit book" in the bin, eh?  THEY WERE ALL COMPLETELY INNOCENT end of story..

Suggest waiting until the report is out.

'Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, Sinn Fein, was present at the time of the violence and "probably armed with a sub-machine gun" but did not engage in "any activity that provided any of the soldiers with any justification for opening fire"'

Its just as likely its a whitewash to keep the IRA in the peace process.

The long-awaited Saville Report cleared the victims of any blame for the killings during a civil rights march in Londonderry more than 38 years ago.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Suggest waiting until the report is out.

'Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, Sinn Fein, was present at the time of the violence and "probably armed with a sub-machine gun" but did not engage in "any activity that provided any of the soldiers with any justification for opening fire"'

Its just as likely its a whitewash to keep the IRA in the peace process.

what a siht fucking scummy post.. are you blind? have you not watched any news today?

The long-awaited Saville Report cleared the victims of any blame for the killings during a civil rights march in Londonderry more than 38 years ago.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … untry.html

Scum in Britsh uniform murdered 14 innocent people and more scum covered it up - then they all went off to buck palace for tea & buns and Medals from lizzy Windsor. Fact, as now recorded by history.

There were IRA guys in the crowd with machine guns though, while the victims may be blameless the IRA aren't.
I'm not saying the paratroopers were in the right, or that using shock troops for police work is sensible.

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IG-Calibre wrote:

no.. an anonymous source made the claim to the enquiry that McGuiness was seen with a machine gun, which he completely refutes and which was not corroborate by anyone else - you ..

Saville says that there was "some firing by republican paramilitaries" but that on balance the Army fired first.

A member of the Official IRA told the inquiry that they had shot at soldiers very early on in retaliation to the shooting of two of the protesters. Saville said: "These two Official IRA members had gone to a pre-arranged sniping position in order to fire at the soldiers; and probably did so when an opportunity presented itself rather than because two civilians had been injured."

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-06-16 05:01:56)

IG-Calibre wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Yup and then an inquiry in which all former members of the IRA go to trial. Like Jerry Adams, Mc Guiness and half of Sien Fien.

I think you will find that for 4 decades the full vigour of the law was applied to all terrorists involved in the troubles - unlike the instruments of the state that killed indiscriminately without fear of prosecution..

CameronPoe wrote:

Not to detract from the callous acts of murder they committed but I'd like to see the number of Irish killed, starved or forced to emigrate by the brits over the past 800 years.