JaMDuDe wrote:
So skruples, you cant prove how prophecies happened but say things like people shared the food and jesus didnt make it. Its impossible to prove unless we go back in time so i guess we will disagree.
I wasn't trying to prove anything. Unlike you, I do not believe that my point of view is absolutely correct
all the time. However, I find it much more likely that Jesus convinced a bunch of strangers to share their food than the idea that Jesus caused food to appear miraculously.
JaMDuDe wrote:
There is this dude called satan, he tries to mislead people away from God any way he can. When people are desperate for religion and this guy claims to have talked with and angel from God people will believe him. But dont forget that most muslims dont get to study any other religions and are pretty much forced to obey one religion for life.
I see. So all religions other than christianity are the work of satan, an entity they don't even believe in. Thats some quality thinking right there.
JaMDuDe wrote:
How do people believing john edwards talks to dead people compare to over 500 people seing Jesus after He died and some people touching his hands and feet? I said it before, i know if some people REALLY were searching for Him they might see him but over 500 people and some touching His hands and feet....
You have once again
completely missed the point. John Edwards does not actually talk to dead people. He is a fraud. Yet for some reason thousands upon thousands of reasonable, intelligent, well educated people believe he talks to spirits. Why? I don't know. But using this and countless other examples of people believing in otherwise ridiculous things as a starting point, it wouldn't be suprising to me if some people 2000 years ago believed in miracles and wrote it down. I don't know what your foot fetish is about, but hey, to each his own.
JaMDuDe wrote:
Theres a difference between the isrealite slaves who devouted their entire life to God(litterally) and the jewish people who rejected Jesus.
Fair enough, but thats beside the point. The point was that God hasn't done anything in close to 2000 years, and I was asking why. You have yet to answer, besides some half-assed explanation about how we don't devote enough time to Him for Him to care.
JaMDuDe wrote:
Your editing all the things God did to make it look like Hes a bad guy.
Am I? Are you saying that those events did not in fact occur? God did not wipe out every living thing on the planet with a flood? He didn't burn two cities to the ground in spite? I'm confused here, you spend a great deal of time telling us how the Bible is the absolute truth in the universe, and now all of a sudden God didn't do all those horrible things? Make up your mind.
JaMDuDe wrote:
Only God can judge and send people to hell. People do need Jesus to get to heaven but i doubt if people cant understand it He sends them to hell. Your saying " It doesnt say children go to heaven and it does say that you need Jesus so kids must go to hell". When we die our physical age might not even be the same. I believe that you need to be able to understand things before you get judged on them.
I know what you believe. You believe that the bible is literally true, and everything in it is correct. Yet when I show you passages from the bible that disagree with what you are saying here, you just ignore it. Get with the program here.
JaMDuDe wrote:
Its possible that there is some bacteria life on planets but not advanced life. We need to be in a good spot in our galaxy so we dont get sucked into a black whole or thrown into deep space by a passing star,(we are in a perfect spot in our galaxy thats perfect for studying where we are) also we need to be a certain distance from the sun so we dont get killed by solar winds or freeze and we need gas giants to protect us from asteroids. We need to be orbiting a certain type of star. There are only so many places and our galaxy where its possible. Then on top of that there needs to be good conditions on the planet so that life can survive. They gave a 1/10 chance to every trait. Thats next to impossible in itself and they still came up with that huge number.
Thank you for repeating the same information that I've already covered 3 times now. Sometimes I wonder if you even have higher brain functions, or if you simply repeat whatever is given to you. Anyway, I'm not going to argue with that again, because I already have several times. There is one interesting thing though.
"Its possible that there is some bacteria life on planets but not advanced life. "
Is it now? I thought that: "Technically life cant come together at all by itself out of nothing. Even in perfect conditions it doesnt happen." (a bullshit statement anyway, which ill get to in a minute). So there might be bacterial life on planets, but bacterial life cannot happen? Interesting logic chain there.
JaMDuDe wrote:
Cells cant come together when they are being radiated and blown up and toxic gases are everywhere. But you can say "well we cant be there to prove it so it can". That can be your argument on how life can form everywhere if you would like.
What do you consider intolerable levels of radiation and toxic gas? I give you:
http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globa … years.htmlI know you probably wont even bother to read that, so here are some excerpts:
Life started to have a major impact on the environment once photosynthetic organisms evolved. These organisms, blue-green algae (picture of stromatolite, which is the rock formed by these algae), fed off atmospheric carbon dioxide and converted much of it into marine sediments consisting of the shells of sea creatures.
While photosynthetic life reduced the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere, it also started to produce oxygen. For a long time, the oxygen produced did not build up in the atmosphere, since it was taken up by rocks, as recorded in Banded Iron Formations (BIFs; picture) and continental red beds. To this day, the majority of oxygen produced over time is locked up in the ancient "banded rock" and "red bed" formations. It was not until probably only 1 billion years ago that the reservoirs of oxidizable rock became saturated and the free oxygen stayed in the air.
Once oxygen had been produced, ultraviolet light split the molecules, producing the ozone UV shield as a by-product. Only at this point did life move out of the oceans and respiration evolved.
The Early atmosphere was probably dominated at first by water vapor, which, as the temperature dropped, would rain out and form the oceans. This would have been a deluge of truly global proportions an resulted in further reduction of CO2. Then the atmosphere was dominated by nitrogen, but there was certainly no oxygen in the early atmosphere.
and
http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfjps/1400/atmos_origin.htmlSecond Atmosphere
Produced by volcanic out gassing.
Gases produced were probably similar to those created by modern volcanoes (H2O, CO2, SO2, CO, S2, Cl2, N2, H2) and NH3 (ammonia) and CH4 (methane)
No free O2 at this time (not found in volcanic gases).
Most of those gasses are incredibly harmful to most life today. So... you were saying something about life not coming into existence in toxic environments?
JaMDuDe wrote:
Technically life cant come together at all by itself out of nothing. Even in perfect conditions it doesnt happen.
And your basis for this statement is... Oh yeah. A christian website devoted to proving creationism. I would point out that scientists have been successful in creating amino acids in laboratory environments. see
wikipedia's article on the origins of lifeOh, and one last thing:
JaMDuDe wrote:
Earth was perfect when adam and eve were around. Ozone is man-made.
You should watch what you type. Saying things like that will get you laughed out of a serious discussion.