Yes he did. Personally. Just as any president personally handles any bureaucratic process under their administration.pace51 wrote:
Then someone should babysit the oil companies so that they do what they say they will, or so that they do it right. Didn't Obama give that rig the saftey award?AussieReaper wrote:
The prevention techniques are fine, it was the mix of concrete by lack of following and adhering to the techniques that contributed to this disaster.pace51 wrote:
Back to the oil spill. Containment techniques are great, but they really need prevention techniques. Maybe building a special dam-like fence that either filters water that spreads out from the oil rig, or that can be sealed quickly.
They shouldn't had to drill that far off shore to begin with. The complications of drilling a mile down are tremendous. Had we not the ecomentalists around the well would have been in much shallower water and not as hard to contain/fix. Thanks enviroweenies.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
I didn't know we had Sarah Palin's parrot here on bf2sDBBrinson1 wrote:
They shouldn't had to drill that far off shore to begin with. The complications of drilling a mile down are tremendous. Had we not the ecomentalists around the well would have been in much shallower water and not as hard to contain/fix. Thanks enviroweenies.
But yeah, it's still somewhat true, environmentalists always block things like nuclear power, giant solar farms and wind farms and such that it forces people to do shit like this. Saying that I wonder how true that really is, whether BP would have been able to drill in shallower waters but were denied because of Environmentalists (or Environmental laws, or more precisely spoiling the view for some billionaire)
Pelicans.Mekstizzle wrote:
I didn't know we had Sarah Palin's parrot here on bf2sDBBrinson1 wrote:
They shouldn't had to drill that far off shore to begin with. The complications of drilling a mile down are tremendous. Had we not the ecomentalists around the well would have been in much shallower water and not as hard to contain/fix. Thanks enviroweenies.
But yeah, it's still somewhat true, environmentalists always block things like nuclear power, giant solar farms and wind farms and such that it forces people to do shit like this. Saying that I wonder how true that really is, whether BP would have been able to drill in shallower waters but were denied because of Environmentalists (or Environmental laws, or more precisely spoiling the view for some billionaire)
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
what about pelicans
I have a pelican in my briefs rite about now.Mekstizzle wrote:
what about pelicans
The brown pelican was until very recently on the endangered species list (lawl, going right back on now) and because of this, near shore drilling was expressly forbidden off the coast of Louisiana and Mississippi. This pushed drilling ever further away from the coast (along with the drilling bans of Alabama and Florida).Mekstizzle wrote:
what about pelicans
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I'll try to keep that in mind as my states already weak economy is flushed further down the toilet.JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes, it's terrible, but people are overreacting in a huge way.
you want to stop spills like what in the gulf from happening ................ onshore drilling and a few more refineries
Yeah? Which state are you in?El Beardo wrote:
I'll try to keep that in mind as my states already weak economy is flushed further down the toilet.JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes, it's terrible, but people are overreacting in a huge way.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
loubot wrote:
I have a pelican in my briefs rite about now.Mekstizzle wrote:
what about pelicans
@ Galt - Florida
While it sucks that it's going to hurt Florida pretty badly, perhaps now is the perfect time for people in the state to move its economy away from relying solely on tourism and building new homes for retirees. Silver lining perhaps.El Beardo wrote:
@ Galt - Florida
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
The book was based on real legal action though.M.O.A.B wrote:
http://remnantsofnonsense.files.wordpre … ngton1.jpgloubot wrote:
I have a pelican in my briefs rite about now.Mekstizzle wrote:
what about pelicans
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
As a side note, implementing more and better regulation of the oil industry because the world's worst ecological disaster has just occurred due to corporate negligence is NOT overreaction.JohnG@lt wrote:
While it sucks that it's going to hurt Florida pretty badly, perhaps now is the perfect time for people in the state to move its economy away from relying solely on tourism and building new homes for retirees. Silver lining perhaps.El Beardo wrote:
@ Galt - Florida
The mere thought of considering it to be one is something so absurd only a pie-in-the-sky free market economist could posit it.
No, but the thought of a clueless government employee babysitting on a rig is equally absurd.Turquoise wrote:
As a side note, implementing more and better regulation of the oil industry because the world's worst ecological disaster has just occurred due to corporate negligence is NOT overreaction.JohnG@lt wrote:
While it sucks that it's going to hurt Florida pretty badly, perhaps now is the perfect time for people in the state to move its economy away from relying solely on tourism and building new homes for retirees. Silver lining perhaps.El Beardo wrote:
@ Galt - Florida
The mere thought of considering it to be one is something so absurd only a pie-in-the-sky free market economist could posit it.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Everyone who lost their jobs in the southeast because of it are overreacting? Everyone on cleanup who're getting sick because of it overreact?JohnG@lt wrote:
Still burning carbon to generate the force necessary to fly the plane.Mekstizzle wrote:
Depends on the country, lame ones like UK/USA do it mostly by fossil fuels, awesome one's like France (lolwut) do it using nuclear power and then they sell it to us, aswell as buy our electric companies that's how much the UK fails at electricity.JohnG@lt wrote:
Yeah? How is electricity generated?
Planes can always start using more biofuels instead of fossil fuels.
An oil spill of this magnitude has never occurred before and I doubt seriously that it will ever happen again. Yes, it's terrible, but people are overreacting in a huge way.
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Sure, compound the problem by putting the offshore drilling industry, which Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas depend on for billions in annual revenue, out of business as well.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Everyone who lost their jobs in the southeast because of it are overreacting? Everyone on cleanup who're getting sick because of it overreact?JohnG@lt wrote:
Still burning carbon to generate the force necessary to fly the plane.Mekstizzle wrote:
Depends on the country, lame ones like UK/USA do it mostly by fossil fuels, awesome one's like France (lolwut) do it using nuclear power and then they sell it to us, aswell as buy our electric companies that's how much the UK fails at electricity.
Planes can always start using more biofuels instead of fossil fuels.
An oil spill of this magnitude has never occurred before and I doubt seriously that it will ever happen again. Yes, it's terrible, but people are overreacting in a huge way.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
1) Resolve to create machinery that doesn't need oiled.
2) ...
3) Profit!
2) ...
3) Profit!
Well, as things currently stand, it looks like the employees of the oil industry are pretty clueless to begin with.JohnG@lt wrote:
No, but the thought of a clueless government employee babysitting on a rig is equally absurd.Turquoise wrote:
As a side note, implementing more and better regulation of the oil industry because the world's worst ecological disaster has just occurred due to corporate negligence is NOT overreaction.JohnG@lt wrote:
While it sucks that it's going to hurt Florida pretty badly, perhaps now is the perfect time for people in the state to move its economy away from relying solely on tourism and building new homes for retirees. Silver lining perhaps.
The mere thought of considering it to be one is something so absurd only a pie-in-the-sky free market economist could posit it.
kill 'em all
Very good point Mek about rich asshole politicians (e.g. Dead Kennedy) stopping things like wind farms from being built. I think wind turbines look cool, hell they can build one in my backyard.
Very good point Mek about rich asshole politicians (e.g. Dead Kennedy) stopping things like wind farms from being built. I think wind turbines look cool, hell they can build one in my backyard.
Anyone who says "aw, wind turbines are an eyesore" should go jump down a cooling tower. Preferably of a coal power station.
No, but seriously. How one can complain that people aren't doing enough to become environmentally friendly then complain about wind turbines...
No, but seriously. How one can complain that people aren't doing enough to become environmentally friendly then complain about wind turbines...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I meant more that you should probably ditch the sweeping generalization.JohnG@lt wrote:
Sure, compound the problem by putting the offshore drilling industry, which Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas depend on for billions in annual revenue, out of business as well.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Everyone who lost their jobs in the southeast because of it are overreacting? Everyone on cleanup who're getting sick because of it overreact?JohnG@lt wrote:
Still burning carbon to generate the force necessary to fly the plane.
An oil spill of this magnitude has never occurred before and I doubt seriously that it will ever happen again. Yes, it's terrible, but people are overreacting in a huge way.
Well see the world does need to have less people, from the worlds point of view.RTHKI wrote:
90% seems a bit much.. i always thought getting rid of half would do the trick. .Dilbert_X wrote:
But, solar power and electric cars would be great, and cutting the world population by about 90% and keeping it there.
how well would electric boats run? they need a lot more energy than a car.
But would you kill yourself right now just because future citizens wanted a world with less people?
It's all cool when your saying ya get rid of 90% ill just hang out in the 10% who are stayin...
haha.
just take a look at the first commandment of the georgia guidestones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
15 more years! 15 more years!
You are aware that this isn't even close to being the biggest spill? It's not even the biggest spill that's happened in the US.JohnG@lt wrote:
An oil spill of this magnitude has never occurred before and I doubt seriously that it will ever happen again. Yes, it's terrible, but people are overreacting in a huge way.
It will happen again. That is unquestionable. It's all just a matter of frequency (and location).
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