BF2S Forums 12 Dead in UK Shooting

In before one case of gun-related violence spawns a twenty page thread on how gun control doesn't work.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

mikkel wrote:

In before one case of gun-related violence spawns a twenty page thread on how gun control doesn't work.

I'm not saying this is valid logic, but whenever there is a shooting in the U.S. people talk about how we need gun control.

Well, on the face of it there's more reason to calling for mitigative measures in face of a whole lot of X, than there is to calling for repealing mitigative measures in the face of markedly less X than is present in places without the same measures. On the face of it. Beyond that it's all opinion, and opinion can turn blind eyes to a lot of things.

Last edited by mikkel (2010-06-02 10:25:45)

Vilham wrote:

And ill put an end to that arguement before it begins, 14 years without a mass shooting, used a legal gun not an illegal one. Gun control works.

"Mass Killing"

Mass killings are rare in the states as well, that's a high kill count that could have been controlled if the gun control wasn't so strick..

If I make a few phone calls and go see a few people I could get a gun by tonight. If I wanted to get a gun legally I have to wait sometimes months to be approved.

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

And ill put an end to that arguement before it begins, 14 years without a mass shooting, used a legal gun not an illegal one. Gun control works.

"Mass Killing"

Mass killings are rare in the states as well, that's a high kill count that could have been controlled if the gun control wasn't so strick..

O you mean like how the mass killings America has ever 12 months or so, are controlled. Yeah great case you have there.

Anyway RIP to all the people involved.

Last edited by Vilham (2010-06-02 10:48:38)

Vilham wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

And ill put an end to that arguement before it begins, 14 years without a mass shooting, used a legal gun not an illegal one. Gun control works.

"Mass Killing"

Mass killings are rare in the states as well, that's a high kill count that could have been controlled if the gun control wasn't so strick..

O you mean like how the mass killings America has ever 12 months or so, are controlled. Yeah great case you have there.

Anyway RIP to all the people involved.

Well our police have guns, so we wouldn't have to wait for the guy to off himself.

Yeah and mass killings to that magnitude are pretty rare. I wonder how much other gun violence really happens in the UK.

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

"Mass Killing"

Mass killings are rare in the states as well, that's a high kill count that could have been controlled if the gun control wasn't so strick..

O you mean like how the mass killings America has ever 12 months or so, are controlled. Yeah great case you have there.

Anyway RIP to all the people involved.

Well our police have guns, so we wouldn't have to wait for the guy to off himself.

Yeah and mass killings to that magnitude are pretty rare. I wonder how much other gun violence really happens in the UK.

We have armed police too... They couldn't find him which was the issue. From what the BBC were showing he traveled like 40 miles during his spree.

No they aren't, 14 years is rare, every 12 months isn't. Not very much gun crime in the UK happens.

I don't think we have mass killings ever 12 months. Maybe 2-3 people shot but not 37, guess the people in UK who get guns get trained proper.

I do like how they don't carry fire arms, but all the UK police should at least be trained and have one in the car. The armed police over there only get dispatched with instances like this, right?

Macbeth wrote:

For the size of our population and the amount of guns we have 12 months is fairly rare. What is the size of the entire UK, population wise?

~60 million

cpt.fass1 wrote:

I don't think we have mass killings ever 12 months. Maybe 2-3 people shot but not 37, guess the people in UK who get guns get trained proper.

I do like how they don't carry fire arms, but all the UK police should at least be trained and have one in the car. The armed police over there only get dispatched with instances like this, right?

(apparantly) armed police are always on the streets in secret vans... but i wouldn't think so. You see them at airports and stuff at least i have the last 3 or 4 times i've been to an airport.

Last edited by SEREVENT (2010-06-02 11:02:38)

mikkel wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

mikkel wrote:

In before one case of gun-related violence spawns a twenty page thread on how gun control doesn't work.

I'm not saying this is valid logic, but whenever there is a shooting in the U.S. people talk about how we need gun control.

Well, on the face of it there's more reason to calling for mitigative measures in face of a whole lot of X, than there is to calling for repealing mitigative measures in the face of markedly less X than is present in places without the same measures. On the face of it. Beyond that it's all opinion, and opinion can turn blind eyes to a lot of things.

But it's not in response to statistics, it is in response to individual incidents. They are equally flawed.

nlsme1 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

I don't think we have mass killings ever 12 months. Maybe 2-3 people shot but not 37, guess the people in UK who get guns get trained proper.

I do like how they don't carry fire arms, but all the UK police should at least be trained and have one in the car. The armed police over there only get dispatched with instances like this, right?

America has had 14 mass shootings in the last 12 years. So one less than every 12 months. 127 deaths in total not including shootings that took place after 29 March 2009.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/ … tings.html

We don't need cops with guns, this sort of thing hasn't happened in 14 years....

In 1987 Michael Ryan killed sixteen. In 1996, Thomas Hamilton killed sixteen children and a t4eacher at a kindergaten in Dunblane, Scotland.

US=200 million guns
UK=4 million guns

For Every gun you have we have 50.

Yup and it shows in the death toll.
I also don't get what your getting at with the first part, 1987 we banned semi auto assault rifles, 1996 we banned handguns, both of which have clearly worked due to the lack of mass shootings with the guns in the past 23 and 14 years.

Last edited by Vilham (2010-06-02 11:51:22)

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

mikkel wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I'm not saying this is valid logic, but whenever there is a shooting in the U.S. people talk about how we need gun control.

Well, on the face of it there's more reason to calling for mitigative measures in face of a whole lot of X, than there is to calling for repealing mitigative measures in the face of markedly less X than is present in places without the same measures. On the face of it. Beyond that it's all opinion, and opinion can turn blind eyes to a lot of things.

But it's not in response to statistics, it is in response to individual incidents. They are equally flawed.

In that regard, absolutely.