BF2S Forums Israelis raid "Aid" Convoy

Trotskygrad wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Isn't this how the new Star Wars movies started?

Honestly though, dropping people in over and over to a bunch of people with clubs and knives seems a little stupid. Should have looked down saw the apposition and gassed them(pepper gas) if they actually wanted to get on the boat.

In all honesty though Israel was way in the wrong with procedure and even doing this in the first place.

peppergas omfg!!!!

Although tear gas is probably not going to deter the more determined activists with them gas masks.

Jews aren't popular with gases...

turkey got owned by israel

eleven bravo wrote:

turkey got owned by israel

Only for this time. Next time time we will send our conscripts to see who sucks worser at all.

Weapons found on Gaza aid ship

Mekstizzle wrote:

If Israel control Gaza's shores, then they're responsible for the populace of Gaza because they're also occupying Gaza, they can't just blockade and starve them off like that. They either have to give them independence and let ships bound for Gaza come in or treat them without resorting to inhumane practices/causing a humanitarian crisis.

They can't just block them off from the rest of the world, it's either an occupation or its freedom, surely. I can understand their concerns but then they don't really have a right to impose a blockade on Gaza like that.

Can you guarantee that they won't have RPGs shipped in on the first ship that docks there after granting them their freedom? I fully understand why Gaza was invaded, I can empathize with the Israeli populace who were living in terror of rocket attacks and suicide bus bombings.

Mekstizzle wrote:

If Israel control Gaza's shores, then they're responsible for the populace of Gaza because they're also occupying Gaza, they can't just blockade and starve them off like that. They either have to give them independence and let ships bound for Gaza come in or treat them without resorting to inhumane practices/causing a humanitarian crisis.

They can't just block them off from the rest of the world, it's either an occupation or its freedom, surely. I can understand their concerns but then they don't really have a right to impose a blockade on Gaza like that.

Well the Israeli's originally said they would take the aid, run it through security and pass it on. The only thing they weren't going to allow through (besides any weapons that might be among it) was the concrete supplies. The aid is still going to end up Gaza so when you think about it, if the aid had been run through the Israelis for security purpses as originally suggested, the whole situation probably could've been avoided, regardless of who was in the right or wrong.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

If Israel control Gaza's shores, then they're responsible for the populace of Gaza because they're also occupying Gaza, they can't just blockade and starve them off like that. They either have to give them independence and let ships bound for Gaza come in or treat them without resorting to inhumane practices/causing a humanitarian crisis.

They can't just block them off from the rest of the world, it's either an occupation or its freedom, surely. I can understand their concerns but then they don't really have a right to impose a blockade on Gaza like that.

Can you guarantee that they won't have RPGs shipped in on the first ship that docks there after granting them their freedom? I fully understand why Gaza was invaded, I can empathize with the Israeli populace who were living in terror of rocket attacks and suicide bus bombings.

Then they have to prevent a humanitarian crisis unfolding which they're not. Right now they're just imposing an illegal blockade because if they were controlling Gaza's territory/sea and things bound for Gaza that would mean they're occupying the place and so they'd be legally bound to not treat the population like shit basically.

I can sympathise with the Israeli's too it's no good having a neighbour that constantly tries to kill you, but what's different is I can understand what they're doing wrong and sympathise with the Gazans also. You seem to be unable to see things both ways for whatever reason.

You're content with assuming all Israeli's are innocent and being targeted by terrorists, and which Palestinians are all terrorists.

Either they're occupying Gaza in which they're have to not treat the population like shit and collectively punish everyone. Or they're giving freedom to Gaza which means that ships should be free to travel there without harassment.

nlsme1 wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

If Israel control Gaza's shores, then they're responsible for the populace of Gaza because they're also occupying Gaza, they can't just blockade and starve them off like that. They either have to give them independence and let ships bound for Gaza come in or treat them without resorting to inhumane practices/causing a humanitarian crisis.

They can't just block them off from the rest of the world, it's either an occupation or its freedom, surely. I can understand their concerns but then they don't really have a right to impose a blockade on Gaza like that.

Can you guarantee that they won't have RPGs shipped in on the first ship that docks there after granting them their freedom? I fully understand why Gaza was invaded, I can empathize with the Israeli populace who were living in terror of rocket attacks and suicide bus bombings.

Because you have lived in fear of rocket attacks and suicide bus bombigs as an everday citizen in your own country? How dare you try and elevate the way people view you on the backs of people you have no way of feeling what they did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I spent all of 2004 in Baghdad and was subjected to mortar and rocket fire on a daily basis. I was also a few hundred yards away from a market when two suicide bombers with backpacks full of explosives walked in and detonated themselves. They killed a bunch of contractors in the process.

They have to severely loosen the restrictions on Gaza either way whether they're occupying it or not (obviously if they're not occupying Gaza than they have no right to intercept ships bound for it unless it strays into Israeli waters, but if they do that means they're occupying Gaza). So that's why this blockade is illegal, it's far too restrictive. Like how inane vegetables are banned and some are not.

One of the reasons the flotilla didn't want to do it the normal way through Israel (MOAB) is because it's so restrictive, that's like admitting that Israel have the right to do this. You don't get it because you assume Israel is an innocent party in all of this and that they could possibly do no wrong. It's dangerous to have unabashed patriotism for your own country, let alone another country, MOAB (and others)

Mekstizzle wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

If Israel control Gaza's shores, then they're responsible for the populace of Gaza because they're also occupying Gaza, they can't just blockade and starve them off like that. They either have to give them independence and let ships bound for Gaza come in or treat them without resorting to inhumane practices/causing a humanitarian crisis.

They can't just block them off from the rest of the world, it's either an occupation or its freedom, surely. I can understand their concerns but then they don't really have a right to impose a blockade on Gaza like that.

Can you guarantee that they won't have RPGs shipped in on the first ship that docks there after granting them their freedom? I fully understand why Gaza was invaded, I can empathize with the Israeli populace who were living in terror of rocket attacks and suicide bus bombings.

Then they have to prevent a humanitarian crisis unfolding which they're not. Right now they're just imposing an illegal blockade because if they were controlling Gaza's territory/sea and things bound for Gaza that would mean they're occupying the place and so they'd be legally bound to not treat the population like shit basically.

I can sympathise with the Israeli's too it's no good having a neighbour that constantly tries to kill you, but what's different is I can understand what they're doing wrong and sympathise with the Gazans also. You seem to be unable to see things both ways for whatever reason.

You're content with assuming all Israeli's are innocent and being targeted by terrorists, and which Palestinians are all terrorists.

Either they're occupying Gaza in which they're have to not treat the population like shit and collectively punish everyone. Or they're giving freedom to Gaza which means that ships should be free to travel there without harassment.

I don't think the Israeli's are innocent at all. I just think the Arab worlds hatred of them is utterly ridiculous. Trying to wipe people off the face of the earth that were born there? That would be like trying to kick out every white person living in Africa right now. It's racism with an intent towards genocide and I can't understand anyone who doesn't come down on the side of the Israeli's in this situation.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Can you guarantee that they won't have RPGs shipped in on the first ship that docks there after granting them their freedom? I fully understand why Gaza was invaded, I can empathize with the Israeli populace who were living in terror of rocket attacks and suicide bus bombings.

Then they have to prevent a humanitarian crisis unfolding which they're not. Right now they're just imposing an illegal blockade because if they were controlling Gaza's territory/sea and things bound for Gaza that would mean they're occupying the place and so they'd be legally bound to not treat the population like shit basically.

I can sympathise with the Israeli's too it's no good having a neighbour that constantly tries to kill you, but what's different is I can understand what they're doing wrong and sympathise with the Gazans also. You seem to be unable to see things both ways for whatever reason.

You're content with assuming all Israeli's are innocent and being targeted by terrorists, and which Palestinians are all terrorists.

Either they're occupying Gaza in which they're have to not treat the population like shit and collectively punish everyone. Or they're giving freedom to Gaza which means that ships should be free to travel there without harassment.

I don't think the Israeli's are innocent at all. I just think the Arab worlds hatred of them is utterly ridiculous. Trying to wipe people off the face of the earth that were born there? That would be like trying to kick out every white person living in Africa right now. It's racism with an intent towards genocide and I can't understand anyone who doesn't come down on the side of the Israeli's in this situation.

Yeah well come back to me when you're not complaining about racism towards Jews in one sentence and then saying that Arabs/Palestinians want to kill all Jews and that justifies starving them off and blockading them in another.

Like I said to ATG when he said a similar thing to you, you either dislike bigotry and racism or you don't.

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Mekstizzle wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Then they have to prevent a humanitarian crisis unfolding which they're not. Right now they're just imposing an illegal blockade because if they were controlling Gaza's territory/sea and things bound for Gaza that would mean they're occupying the place and so they'd be legally bound to not treat the population like shit basically.

I can sympathise with the Israeli's too it's no good having a neighbour that constantly tries to kill you, but what's different is I can understand what they're doing wrong and sympathise with the Gazans also. You seem to be unable to see things both ways for whatever reason.

You're content with assuming all Israeli's are innocent and being targeted by terrorists, and which Palestinians are all terrorists.

Either they're occupying Gaza in which they're have to not treat the population like shit and collectively punish everyone. Or they're giving freedom to Gaza which means that ships should be free to travel there without harassment.

I don't think the Israeli's are innocent at all. I just think the Arab worlds hatred of them is utterly ridiculous. Trying to wipe people off the face of the earth that were born there? That would be like trying to kick out every white person living in Africa right now. It's racism with an intent towards genocide and I can't understand anyone who doesn't come down on the side of the Israeli's in this situation.

Yeah well come back to me when you're not complaining about racism towards Jews in one sentence and then saying that Arabs/Palestinians want to kill all Jews and that justifies starving them off and blockading them in another.

Like I said to ATG when he said a similar thing to you, you either dislike bigotry and racism or you don't.

I dislike unjustified bigotry and racism. There's a big difference there. Justified 'racism' would be racially profiling people who look Mexican in Arizona and asking them for their immigration papers. Why? Because they don't have an illegal immigration problem from Asia or Europe or Africa there. Saying 'racial profiling' is bad in this case is idiotic.

I don't consider what the Israeli's are doing to be racist. I feel it is a justified consequence of Gazans firing rockets and other bullshit into Israel. While I normally dislike mass-punishment, in this case it was entirely warranted because they weren't exactly trying to stop Hamas from shooting said rockets, hell they fucking elected Hamas to lead the 'country'. Tell me that's not a slap in the face.