BF2S Forums Fixing DAST

Shahter wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Lack of common decency and respect for other members opinions is the biggest DST problem ... another issue is the lack of even trying to understand the opposing views, this goes both ways of course but is it really that hard to say I understand the reasons for your opinions even though we don't agree ...

It gets personal too fast ...

varegg, meet lowing. you try to get a point across to him and come back when you are done so we can discuss this further.

Reciprocity wrote:

I don't think you could "fix" d&st without seriously compromising what makes it an entertaining and interesting place to visit

FEOS wrote:

Agree with FM's main points and think it's great that someone's thinking somewhat strategically here.

One possible twist: for those topics that seem to be constants, as mentioned already (Islam, Israel, Obama): make stickies. We've tried "The Official _____ Thread" route before, but the thread gets lost as current events take over and new threads get created that should by rights go in the "official thread". A sticky would help mitigate that. And make moderation of those flame-prone topics easier, I would think.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Thank you for the generally solid input.

Here are the main points that I think would get this going in the right direction.

1) Enforcement - We need more manpower to enforce a higher set of rules/more stringently enforce the rules that are already in place. I'm not going to go into a lot of detail here but I'm working on it. I am unemployed for about another two weeks so I do have quite a bit of time on my hands at the moment until the powers that be can be set in motion to put more people in place. Ultimately this is the second most important aspect behind member support.

2) Code of conduct - We need a set of rules specifically for this section, outlining in as much detail and clarity as possible what is acceptable and what isn't. I would much prefer that this be written by the regulars of the section and not by the staff (except obviously where the two intersect). If someone wants to make a topic for the discussion of this be my guest. There are a lot of ideas in this thread that should be seriously considered as well. I would say that it is important not just to talk about it though, someone needs to take it upon themselves to write a draft that can be a starting point to be edited to some degree and voted on.

3) Conglomeration of frequent topics - At first when marine asked why all the other sections had a bunch of stickies and DAST didn't like it was a problem I thought it was pretty dumb. After a lot of people started talking about the repetition of topics though, maybe that would be a good idea. The thing that makes me unsure though is that DAST is unlike the other sections that lend themselves to the "XX Chat" idea better is that in DAST you have the two people going back and forth for pages and pages at times. This largely invalidates a Chat topic - it's stupid to have two people dominating a topic that is supposed to be about everything Obama for pages and pages, particularly when the debate inevitably devolves into several other points as well. Now I don't think carrying on in this manner should be discouraged in any way, it just presents a problem for making one thread for these topics.

So what if it were policy to make a completely new thread specifically for the back-and-forth to keep the main threads clean? What about just in general, make it practice to leave the original thread more or less intact so that people can "get a word in edgewise" about the OP without it being on page 6? I'm sure someone else can flesh it out a lot more, but this way it could make the (what are hopefully now higher quality) OPs more accessible.

4) Quality and Quantity of topics - BF2S is aging. It's far from dead, but there just aren't as many of us around anymore. The quality of the OP needs to increase yes, but that will largely be covered in the new code of conduct. We also need people to put themselves out there in making OPs more. Say what you want about our most inflammatory members but they give us something to do - if more reasonable members took the time to make a solid OP more often it makes the balancing act of maintaining some level of activity and keeping the quality of the activity up that much easier. I mean it shouldn't be thought of as homework, but contrary to what usmarine says if people used DAST as their blog a bit more things would be more interesting. No I do not want this section to become a big "girl-problems" thread but if some more people put their balls on the line and told us about their musings once in a blue moon it would be a welcome break from the rehashing of old topics that people complain about.

Mekstizzle wrote:

You're the one, Galt, that complains when people come into a topic with an opinion that doesn't suit yours. Telling them to get the fuck out and all that stupid shit. The amount of shit people like lowing and ATG (and ruis) say, I still wouldn't tell them to go away.

FM's post was tl;dr for me

nlsme1 wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

All you do is post on debates you are no expert on, you can be quite disrepectful, and all your posts are pushing YOUR ideolagy.

Sure, I disrespect idiots. If I've disrespected you, be less of an idiot

Was just pointing out you fall into the category of people you have a problem with. DS&T has NO place for personal insults.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-06-01 06:26:03)