BF2S Forums Civil War Fall Out: National Identity versus State/Local Identity

Well, if we could sell off New York, California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Illinois, and Florida - then 'American' wouldn't need qualification.

As it currently stands, the overinflated sense of entitlement and generally Orwellian nanny-state culture in California, Chicago, and New York makes it embarrassing to claim them as part of the same United States as the rest of us.

Unfortunately, we cannot divest ourselves of irresponsible over-indulgent non-self-sufficient states.  So, in that respect, the US Constitution is a suicide pact.  We have to keep those boat-anchor states, even if they're going to sink the country.

id love to get rid of alaska myself

SenorToenails wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

commerce clause has been used to justify federal action since the begining.

Yes, but what about the feds using backdoor methods of pushing crap through, like the minimum drinking age?  Or why are the Feds so worried about abortion?  Medical marijuana?  Gay marriage?

all these things have an effect on interstate commerce, so, according the constitution and rulings by the supreme court, the feds have the right to regulate.

the EU will not survive.  guarenteed. no single confederation in history has withstood the test of time.

eleven bravo wrote:

id love to get rid of alaska myself

I'm from Alaska and Montana.

How about we just send Palin to California, then sell California to China to pay off the national debt?
I'll throw in Oprah and Chicago in as a bonus.

B) I identify more with state citizenship. However, I happen to despise the state I live in. There's more chance for self determination and an ability to influence policy within your own state rather than at the federal level. Instead of being 1:300,000,000, I'm 1:19,000,000. Doesn't seem like much of a difference but it is.

I really wish the sectionalism in this country would amplify instead of recede. I'm really fucking tired of the Red Team/Blue Team garbage that has infected this country and made it so ridiculously retarded. So why amplify? Because I'd rather the country split up and each get their own way to finally show them that both of the paths they wish to tread are absofuckinglutely retarded and contrarian. Let the Dems have everything west of Kansas and the Republicans everything east of Kansas and finally put all this stupidity to rest.

SenorToenails wrote:

To actually answer the question--I see myself as an American first.  I don't like New York State.  The government here panders to the city so the rest of the state gets ignored.  As far as I'm concerned, the city should be made into its own state.

And as far as the rest of the world is concerned: ''there's a state called New York? You mean the city... right?''

Mekstizzle wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

To actually answer the question--I see myself as an American first.  I don't like New York State.  The government here panders to the city so the rest of the state gets ignored.  As far as I'm concerned, the city should be made into its own state.

And as far as the rest of the world is concerned: ''there's a state called New York? You mean the city... right?''

Yes, and New York City isn't even the capital of our state



It's just the pink counties at the very bottom of the map.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-05-28 11:59:29)

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eleven bravo wrote:

I absolutely hate the south, kansas and oklahoma.  i was born in miami but that doesnt count.

Self loathing there then... What's your problem with FL aside from the heavy Cuban immigration, millions of senior citizens driving 60 on the interstates, homo's of Key West, UF gaytors, horrendous mosquitoes, 500% humidity... -oh wait.  nevermind.

eleven bravo wrote:

there goes any future political career

Secession from New York State, not the country Albany is a cesspool.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-05-28 12:07:52)

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SEREMAKER wrote:

American then Southerner

Bloody Southerners!

That being said, Indiana is usually a red state, and the elections often reflect that with Blue in only the urban counties or places there are universities, and I've been in those areas all my life as opposed to the rural hellholes.

eleven bravo wrote:

rdx, you realize if the states you talked about were no longer part of the union, this country's economic power would probably more closely resemble that of portugal

We're keeping Washington state (Microsoft, Boeing, etc), Texas and Alaska (oil and more oil), the core of the country (more oil, coal, farming, and ranching), and the vast majority of the states that contribute people to the military.

We're losing states with an inflated sense of entitlement, that are impossibly overrun with unsustainable urban sprawl.

I'm willing to trade a bit of economic clout, in exchange for making what's left completely self-sufficient and a net exporter of products