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2010-05-27 07:25:58
lowing
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+1,662|6937|USA

nlsme1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:


I realise there is a difference but are you saying no-one who is unemployed is on welfare? Surely not true. Or, if they are working, then they pay taxes, but earn shit money, so in effect they get some taxes back don't they, if they also receive some welfare checks to help 'em out. Like the people in this article as I understand it.
poor people pay no taxes.

I am speaking generally, I do not know every unemployed person in the US or their financial status. I can say EVERYONE I know that have had good jobs went on unemployment until they find other jobs, NOT welfare
So poor people pay no taxes. Pretty sure "poor" people in the US still pay all the taxes you do. Save for employment taxes. They still pay taxes on the things they buy. They pay property taxes for their landlord. You get to claim these things as you paying taxes, yet they don't get the credit?

As far as welfare v unemployment. I know plenty of well to do people that lost their job recently. Don't know any that went on welfare. Why is that? Because when you make over 100 grand a year, you are lucky, and tend to be ABLE to put some aside. I can quarantee you that if they hadn't been ABLE to put some aside, then the 400 bucks unemployment pays would have meant they NEEDED more support. Thank god they were never poor, and were able to do so. How can you expect someone to put away 20% of their earnings to cover rainy days, when their earnings dont even equal their cost of living.
Umm poor people get food stamps, they do not pay taxes.

Here we go again, anyone that has made something of themselves is just "lucky", effort determination, ambition drive attitude have got nothing to do with it, it is all luck..I love how the entilted speak of fictional shit like "luck", "fortune", "destiny", while people that get off there ass and do something speak of effort, determination, ambition, drive motivation, attitude.  Hmmm might be something to that.

Then get out and increase your EARNINGS. Or why do you think they call them EARNINGS and not GIVINGS
2010-05-27 07:26:59
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6937|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

sorry, govt. dependency makes me cringe. I would rather just be given the freedom for me to choose my life's path. Thanks anyway.
Thing is, having to pay for healthcare and education you're less free, you're on much more of a treadmill - but you're brainwashed into believing its 'freedom'.
I don't want my govt. paying for health care, or education past HS.
2010-05-27 07:27:04
nlsme1
Member
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11 Bravo wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

sorry, govt. dependency makes me cringe. I would rather just be given the freedom for me to choose my life's path. Thanks anyway.
Thing is, having to pay for healthcare and education you're less free, you're on much more of a treadmill - but you're brainwashed into believing its 'freedom'.
i dont have to pay more than my taxes for healthcare and education.
You don't have ins. premiums? Copays? Deductables? Everything is covered? No caps?
2010-05-27 07:28:11
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6937|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

poor people pay no taxes.
The rich pay a lot less.
really? link please!
2010-05-27 07:28:48
11 Bravo
Banned
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nlsme1 wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


Thing is, having to pay for healthcare and education you're less free, you're on much more of a treadmill - but you're brainwashed into believing its 'freedom'.
i dont have to pay more than my taxes for healthcare and education.
You don't have ins. premiums? Copays? Deductables? Everything is covered? No caps?
if i cant afford to pay for insurance then i can go to a public hospital.
2010-05-27 07:29:57
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,816|6391|eXtreme to the maX

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

poor people pay no taxes.
The rich pay a lot less.
really? link please!
They write everything off to their business, and their business gets subsidised by the govt.
Only the little people pay taxes.
Fuck Israel
2010-05-27 07:31:03
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6937|USA

Varegg wrote:

So in what way can't I choose my lifes path?
Well lets see, you rely on govt. to keep you healthy, keep you fed, keep you vacationed, keep you housed, keep you educated etc....I don't, I rely on my govt. to keep me free so I may do these things for myself without saddling someone lese with the bill. Oh but wait, yours is free right?
2010-05-27 07:32:54
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6937|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


The rich pay a lot less.
really? link please!
They write everything off to their business, and their business gets subsidised by the govt.
Only the little people pay taxes.
the rich do not pay income taxes and the poor people pay more than the rich? ..LINK PLEASE
2010-05-27 07:34:52
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,816|6391|eXtreme to the maX

11 Bravo wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:


i dont have to pay more than my taxes for healthcare and education.
You don't have ins. premiums? Copays? Deductables? Everything is covered? No caps?
if i cant afford to pay for insurance then i can go to a public hospital.
With the Mexicans? Have fun, try not to get really ill either.
Fuck Israel
2010-05-27 07:36:52
nlsme1
Member
+32|5703

lowing wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

lowing wrote:


poor people pay no taxes.

I am speaking generally, I do not know every unemployed person in the US or their financial status. I can say EVERYONE I know that have had good jobs went on unemployment until they find other jobs, NOT welfare
So poor people pay no taxes. Pretty sure "poor" people in the US still pay all the taxes you do. Save for employment taxes. They still pay taxes on the things they buy. They pay property taxes for their landlord. You get to claim these things as you paying taxes, yet they don't get the credit?

As far as welfare v unemployment. I know plenty of well to do people that lost their job recently. Don't know any that went on welfare. Why is that? Because when you make over 100 grand a year, you are lucky, and tend to be ABLE to put some aside. I can quarantee you that if they hadn't been ABLE to put some aside, then the 400 bucks unemployment pays would have meant they NEEDED more support. Thank god they were never poor, and were able to do so. How can you expect someone to put away 20% of their earnings to cover rainy days, when their earnings dont even equal their cost of living.
Umm poor people get food stamps, they do not pay taxes.

Here we go again, anyone that has made something of themselves is just "lucky", effort determination, ambition drive attitude have got nothing to do with it, it is all luck..I love how the entilted speak of fictional shit like "luck", "fortune", "destiny", while people that get off there ass and do something speak of effort, determination, ambition, drive motivation, attitude.  Hmmm might be something to that.

Then get out and increase your EARNINGS. Or why do you think they call them EARNINGS and not GIVINGS
Putting words in mouths again. I never said luck was the only factor in success. Every successful person I have ever spoken to, has said luck played SOME role. Wether it was they were lucky to have parents that taught them a strong work ethic, guidance couselors that actually talked to them. The schools they were ABLE to attend.

People are a product of their environment. What else plays a role in what environment you were raised in other then luck? What else is here to explain one person getting ____________ over anther, when they were both equally motivated, educated, diven, ambitous?

See I know I got lucky. My situation involves more luck then some. I can see it.
To bad you can't sit back and say that you have truly gotten lucky in life. Too bad you don't love your wife enough to reaize how lucky you are. Too bad you haven't realized how lucky you are to not have had a child get sick. So sick you had to spend ALL your time with them and not be ABLE to work. Too bad indeed.
2010-05-27 07:38:13
nlsme1
Member
+32|5703

11 Bravo wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:


i dont have to pay more than my taxes for healthcare and education.
You don't have ins. premiums? Copays? Deductables? Everything is covered? No caps?
if i cant afford to pay for insurance then i can go to a public hospital.
There is no public hospital available to me. You fucking leach.
2010-05-27 07:45:35
ruisleipa
Member
+149|6507|teh FIN-land

lowing wrote:

I am unhappy with govt. hindering my efforts to take care of myself. Unlike you,  I do not need the govt. coddling me. It is not a benefit you enjoy,. It is the theft from anothers efforts you enjoy.
lol I don't need the govt 'coddling' me. I work, I receive no benefits currently. I DO get libraries, healthcare if I need it, education for my child etc etc. That's not coddling, it's good living. Sounds like you're jealous tbh. No-one gets 'stolen' from. If you don't like high taxes and good benefits in Finland then people can fucking MOVE. To America, probably.

Again, you sound quite jealous. Why don't you just fucking move, srsly?

lowing wrote:

You are also the fraction ofa country we are that has no place on the world stage of influence. Can't spend less on defense, Finland and other like you need protecting, of course when you switch sides it is hard to tell which side you are on, I guess the winning side huh?
aaah was wondering when you'd come back on that one. So it's thanks to YOU that we have this high standard of living that YOU do not have? ooooooook. BullUshit, but thanks lowing, those non-existent taxes you're paying in Finland really make all the difference! lol, don't blame us for your fuck ups, thanks!

So fucking funny - and again sad - you bring up 'Finland being on the winning side' or some shit all the time. At least until you bring up the old Nazi angle again. LOL. Fact that the US is bigger has fuck all to do with this discussion. You're. Clutching. At. Straws.

lowing wrote:

Well lets see, you rely on govt. to keep you healthy, keep you fed, keep you vacationed, keep you housed, keep you educated etc....I don't, I rely on my govt. to keep me free so I may do these things for myself without saddling someone lese with the bill. Oh but wait, yours is free right?
LMFAO. so you don't get anything from the govt? wot teh fuck? I guess you paved those roads yourself yeah? You're the local cop, firefighter, farmer, defence contractor, nurse etc etc yeah? Holy shit you must be busy. I'm surprised you have time to spout off on here constantly!

The govt doesn't keep me healthy but if I fall seriously ill I can get healthcare. Although local authorities often do provide swimming pools for example, but we still pay for them.
Govt doesn't feed you, unless you have no money to feed yourself. Explain what's wrong with that? It's the sign of a caring society - obviously not the kind of society you would appreciate.
Govt doesn't give me holidays, my employer does that, although holiday time is often regualted by law. Is that bad?
Of course govt educates its people - why the flying fuck shouldn't it??? It's a BENEFIT to society. So you educate yourself and your own kids yeah? You treat yourself if you're ill yeah?

Last edited by ruisleipa (2010-05-27 07:53:08)

2010-05-27 07:47:37
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5522|Cleveland, Ohio

nlsme1 wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:


You don't have ins. premiums? Copays? Deductables? Everything is covered? No caps?
if i cant afford to pay for insurance then i can go to a public hospital.
There is no public hospital available to me. You fucking leach.
i pay for mine though.
2010-05-27 08:12:53
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7095|Nårvei

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

So in what way can't I choose my lifes path?
Well lets see, you rely on govt. to keep you healthy, keep you fed, keep you vacationed, keep you housed, keep you educated etc....I don't, I rely on my govt. to keep me free so I may do these things for myself without saddling someone lese with the bill. Oh but wait, yours is free right?
Ehr ...

Government does not house me ... I'll have to buy that myself ...
Government does not feed me ... I buy my own food ...
Government does not pay for my vacation ...
Government does not keep my healthy, but if I get sick it doesn't cost me anything ...
Government does not keep me educated, but I get the first 13 years of education for free ...

What other points do you have to show how I'm not choosing my own life?
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2010-05-27 08:35:30
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7002

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

poor people pay no taxes.
The rich pay a lot less.
Troll post is troll. The rich pays the fucking most in taxes.
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2010-05-27 08:52:48
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6937|USA

nlsme1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:


So poor people pay no taxes. Pretty sure "poor" people in the US still pay all the taxes you do. Save for employment taxes. They still pay taxes on the things they buy. They pay property taxes for their landlord. You get to claim these things as you paying taxes, yet they don't get the credit?

As far as welfare v unemployment. I know plenty of well to do people that lost their job recently. Don't know any that went on welfare. Why is that? Because when you make over 100 grand a year, you are lucky, and tend to be ABLE to put some aside. I can quarantee you that if they hadn't been ABLE to put some aside, then the 400 bucks unemployment pays would have meant they NEEDED more support. Thank god they were never poor, and were able to do so. How can you expect someone to put away 20% of their earnings to cover rainy days, when their earnings dont even equal their cost of living.
Umm poor people get food stamps, they do not pay taxes.

Here we go again, anyone that has made something of themselves is just "lucky", effort determination, ambition drive attitude have got nothing to do with it, it is all luck..I love how the entilted speak of fictional shit like "luck", "fortune", "destiny", while people that get off there ass and do something speak of effort, determination, ambition, drive motivation, attitude.  Hmmm might be something to that.

Then get out and increase your EARNINGS. Or why do you think they call them EARNINGS and not GIVINGS
Putting words in mouths again. I never said luck was the only factor in success. Every successful person I have ever spoken to, has said luck played SOME role. Wether it was they were lucky to have parents that taught them a strong work ethic, guidance couselors that actually talked to them. The schools they were ABLE to attend.

People are a product of their environment. What else plays a role in what environment you were raised in other then luck? What else is here to explain one person getting ____________ over anther, when they were both equally motivated, educated, diven, ambitous?

See I know I got lucky. My situation involves more luck then some. I can see it.
To bad you can't sit back and say that you have truly gotten lucky in life. Too bad you don't love your wife enough to reaize how lucky you are. Too bad you haven't realized how lucky you are to not have had a child get sick. So sick you had to spend ALL your time with them and not be ABLE to work. Too bad indeed.
Hmmmmm re-read your post and you mentioned nothing aobut making 100 grand a year other than "luck". I suppose if nothing else "luck" is the most significant thing then?  I mean since you do not seem fit to mention anything that in my mind really counts.


Really? you really have to ask what plays a roll in someones environment other than "LUCK"? Really?

I believe people make their own luck, I didn't get lucky with my wife, it is not like I had no choice and she was thrust upon me, and I just got lucky to get a good one. I CHOSE WHO I was to marry. I CHOSE not settle for welfare. I CHOSE to make decisions that were going to improve my quality of life. Luck had nothing to do with it. I CHOSE to get out of destructive environments and relationaships.
2010-05-27 09:01:14
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6937|USA

ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

I am unhappy with govt. hindering my efforts to take care of myself. Unlike you,  I do not need the govt. coddling me. It is not a benefit you enjoy,. It is the theft from anothers efforts you enjoy.
lol I don't need the govt 'coddling' me. I work, I receive no benefits currently. I DO get libraries, healthcare if I need it, education for my child etc etc. That's not coddling, it's good living. Sounds like you're jealous tbh. No-one gets 'stolen' from. If you don't like high taxes and good benefits in Finland then people can fucking MOVE. To America, probably.

Again, you sound quite jealous. Why don't you just fucking move, srsly?

lowing wrote:

You are also the fraction ofa country we are that has no place on the world stage of influence. Can't spend less on defense, Finland and other like you need protecting, of course when you switch sides it is hard to tell which side you are on, I guess the winning side huh?
aaah was wondering when you'd come back on that one. So it's thanks to YOU that we have this high standard of living that YOU do not have? ooooooook. BullUshit, but thanks lowing, those non-existent taxes you're paying in Finland really make all the difference! lol, don't blame us for your fuck ups, thanks!

So fucking funny - and again sad - you bring up 'Finland being on the winning side' or some shit all the time. At least until you bring up the old Nazi angle again. LOL. Fact that the US is bigger has fuck all to do with this discussion. You're. Clutching. At. Straws.

lowing wrote:

Well lets see, you rely on govt. to keep you healthy, keep you fed, keep you vacationed, keep you housed, keep you educated etc....I don't, I rely on my govt. to keep me free so I may do these things for myself without saddling someone lese with the bill. Oh but wait, yours is free right?
LMFAO. so you don't get anything from the govt? wot teh fuck? I guess you paved those roads yourself yeah? You're the local cop, firefighter, farmer, defence contractor, nurse etc etc yeah? Holy shit you must be busy. I'm surprised you have time to spout off on here constantly!

The govt doesn't keep me healthy but if I fall seriously ill I can get healthcare. Although local authorities often do provide swimming pools for example, but we still pay for them.
Govt doesn't feed you, unless you have no money to feed yourself. Explain what's wrong with that? It's the sign of a caring society - obviously not the kind of society you would appreciate.
Govt doesn't give me holidays, my employer does that, although holiday time is often regualted by law. Is that bad?
Of course govt educates its people - why the flying fuck shouldn't it??? It's a BENEFIT to society. So you educate yourself and your own kids yeah? You treat yourself if you're ill yeah?
Yes ruis, those that pay for your lifestyle get stolen from. Jealous no,  Icouldn't care less how you do it socialist Europe. I do not live there. We do things for ourselves here, and as it is, it is getting harder for me to keep up with my own life style now without the berdon of providing one for someone else.

Never said I paid Finland taxes, but if you think Europe rebuilt itself as a collection of free nations, you would be mistaken. No thanks to Finland.

No not clutching at strws just pointing out the US takes on a lot more for the free world than Finland does, and it costs.

Already said govt. is supposed to provide infrastruture security etc...THat is what taxes are for, not to be handed out by govt. to people they feel deserve your money more than you do.

Nope, I have insurance. I pay for insurance, my nighbors who have their own set of peoblems, does not pay for my problems...and no, why should I pay for your kids college, I have my own kids to worry about. Do you mind if I take care of them first? Appreciate it.
2010-05-27 09:03:56
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6937|USA

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

So in what way can't I choose my lifes path?
Well lets see, you rely on govt. to keep you healthy, keep you fed, keep you vacationed, keep you housed, keep you educated etc....I don't, I rely on my govt. to keep me free so I may do these things for myself without saddling someone lese with the bill. Oh but wait, yours is free right?
Ehr ...

Government does not house me ... I'll have to buy that myself ...
Government does not feed me ... I buy my own food ...
Government does not pay for my vacation ...
Government does not keep my healthy, but if I get sick it doesn't cost me anything ...
Government does not keep me educated, but I get the first 13 years of education for free ...

What other points do you have to show how I'm not choosing my own life?
Where do you turn when you have no house?

where do you turn when you have no food?

who forces companies to provide you with vacation?

no it doesn't cost you anything, it cost someone else

where do you turn when you can't afford university?

Govt.
Govt.
Govt.
Govt.
Govt.
Govt.
2010-05-27 09:11:52
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6415|North Tonawanda, NY

Cybargs wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

poor people pay no taxes.
The rich pay a lot less.
Troll post is troll. The rich pays the fucking most in taxes.
They absolutely do.
2010-05-27 09:39:24
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5871

I like low taxes. Being able to enjoy more of the money I earned is cool.

The thing I always find funny about tax debates on bf2s is that: Since the U.S. Has lower taxes than other wealthy western states we have the highest purchasing power in the world as well as a huge population who can consume on a large scale so the majority of products produced in the world is geared towards our interest since we have a big market with plenty of cash. Sort of like how you have a Swedish company like DICE making a game about a fictional war between Americans and their rival or how CoD started to focus their games on America rather than Europe or how you guys know all of our celebs but we don't know how to even pronouce the names of yours.
2010-05-27 09:42:21
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7002

Macbeth wrote:

I like low taxes. Being able to enjoy more of the money I earned is cool.

The thing I always find funny about tax debates on bf2s is that: Since the U.S. Has lower taxes than other wealthy western states we have the highest purchasing power in the world as well as a huge population who can consume on a large scale so the majority of products produced in the world is geared towards our interest since we have a big market with plenty of cash. Sort of like how you have a Swedish company like DICE making a game about a fictional war between Americans and their rival or how CoD started to focus their games on America rather than Europe or how you guys know all of our celebs but we don't know how to even pronouce the names of yours.
Americans actually pay a lot in taxes even compared to Euros... The difference is about 10% (still quite a bit...)

Isn't state, income, property and sales tax added up equate to over 40% in the US?
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2010-05-27 09:59:08
Morpheus
This shit still going?
+508|6285|The Mitten
oh dammit.

this thread shot up to 7 pages while i was asleep... someone fill me in on what i missed?
EE (hats
2010-05-27 10:00:27
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5871

Our sales tax doesn't come anywhere near the VAT. Property taxes get rebated in for your Federal tax. State income isn't much at all and you can always move to a higher taxed state.
2010-05-27 10:08:06
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6754
lowing should move to Somalia, no government at all there.
2010-05-27 10:34:45
nlsme1
Member
+32|5703

11 Bravo wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:


if i cant afford to pay for insurance then i can go to a public hospital.
There is no public hospital available to me. You fucking leach.
i pay for mine though.
And I also pay for yours. One is not available to me. See where I am going. Not really complaining you have one. Just pointing it out.

 

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