eh?ruisleipa wrote:
progressive society.
define that please.
define that please.
We don't have oil. We have mobile phones, shipbuilding and forestry.Cybargs wrote:
Oil.Varegg wrote:
That was not just Finland, Norway and Sweden had it bad also and we pulled through because we had a sound foundation in our economy ... and people didn't starv or strive that much because our social safety net took care of those that needed it ...11 Bravo wrote:
you forget the 90's financial crisis in finland?
I need around tree fiddy.
no getting your ass to work and contribute is a good thing, not a bonus for doing nothing. If anyone deserves a bonus, it is those that work more for less.ruisleipa wrote:
well why not? That's what we pay taxes for. Maybe you get fuck all for your taxes, I dunno.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Really? You've gotta be screwing with lowing here. You feel entitled to all at stuff?
You know, all that stuff is what you get when you live in a positive, progressive society. The funny thing is hardly anyone complains about it, even those paying really high taxes, cos it's just part of our social philosophy. I find it kinda hilarious and sad that anyone would bother complaining about some people who are living in poverty are getting 100 dollars extra. To me that's like...wtf is the problem. it's a GOOD thing.
Or at least earn your welfare by doing jobs for the people, pick up trash alone the highways, apint govt. buildings, landscape etc
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Like the Chinese.lowing wrote:
no getting your ass to work is a good thing, not a bonus for doing nothing. If anyone deserves a bonus, it is those that work more for less.ruisleipa wrote:
well why not? That's what we pay taxes for. Maybe you get fuck all for your taxes, I dunno.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Really? You've gotta be screwing with lowing here. You feel entitled to all at stuff?
You know, all that stuff is what you get when you live in a positive, progressive society. The funny thing is hardly anyone complains about it, even those paying really high taxes, cos it's just part of our social philosophy. I find it kinda hilarious and sad that anyone would bother complaining about some people who are living in poverty are getting 100 dollars extra. To me that's like...wtf is the problem. it's a GOOD thing.
I need around tree fiddy.
Sweden also has plenty of oil ... not ...DonFck wrote:
We don't have oil. We have mobile phones, shipbuilding and forestry.Cybargs wrote:
Oil.Varegg wrote:
That was not just Finland, Norway and Sweden had it bad also and we pulled through because we had a sound foundation in our economy ... and people didn't starv or strive that much because our social safety net took care of those that needed it ...
So any other eloquent points to make Cybargs?
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That was more directed about Norway.DonFck wrote:
We don't have oil. We have mobile phones, shipbuilding and forestry.Cybargs wrote:
Oil.Varegg wrote:
That was not just Finland, Norway and Sweden had it bad also and we pulled through because we had a sound foundation in our economy ... and people didn't starv or strive that much because our social safety net took care of those that needed it ...
But remember, you guys have a VERY VERY small population compared to the US...
If they do not like it, then it is up to them to change it.DonFck wrote:
Like the Chinese.lowing wrote:
no getting your ass to work is a good thing, not a bonus for doing nothing. If anyone deserves a bonus, it is those that work more for less.ruisleipa wrote:
well why not? That's what we pay taxes for. Maybe you get fuck all for your taxes, I dunno.
You know, all that stuff is what you get when you live in a positive, progressive society. The funny thing is hardly anyone complains about it, even those paying really high taxes, cos it's just part of our social philosophy. I find it kinda hilarious and sad that anyone would bother complaining about some people who are living in poverty are getting 100 dollars extra. To me that's like...wtf is the problem. it's a GOOD thing.
Yeah ... that's it ... population size matters when balancing a budget ...Cybargs wrote:
That was more directed about Norway.DonFck wrote:
We don't have oil. We have mobile phones, shipbuilding and forestry.Cybargs wrote:
Oil.
But remember, you guys have a VERY VERY small population compared to the US...
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Yeah I do because I paid my taxes that paid for all that stuff ...DBBrinson1 wrote:
Really? You've gotta be screwing with lowing here. You feel entitled to all at stuff?Varegg wrote:
Could you elaborate as to how I get coddled ... what services is coddling?lowing wrote:
almost every bit of what you jsut listed, except the parts where I get coddled by govt. I mean serviced by govt.
*Free healtcare?
*Free education?
*Unemployment benefits?
*Free libraries?
*12 months free from work with pay when a baby is born, divided between mum and dad?
*Subcidised kindergarden?
*A place to stay when I get old?
*Free money aka pension from the government when I stop working at 67?
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it also helps when the population is the size of one american city
of course it is. I encourage everyone to work. I don't LIKE it when people don't work and just sit back and get benefits, of course not. I think everyone SHOULD work if they can get a fair wage. But it's a good tihng we have free healthcare, libraries etc etc, obviously, as well as a safety net if things fuck up and you're in poverty or on the breadline or whatever. Would I rather pay 5 per cent more tax and get free education, social safety nets, healthcare etc etc? Fucking right I would, because it's a benefit for me and for society as whole. Again, it seems kinda sad you're moaning like it's a personal affront that some poverty-line family gets 100 dollars extra.lowing wrote:
no getting your ass to work and contribute is a good thing, not a bonus for doing nothing. If anyone deserves a bonus, it is those that work more for less.
I do think population size helps; easier to direct spending. That's probably why forms of socialism work better (better, not good) in countries like Vietnam and Cuba in contrast to E.g. USSR and PRC.Varegg wrote:
Yeah ... that's it ... population size matters when balancing a budget ...Cybargs wrote:
That was more directed about Norway.DonFck wrote:
We don't have oil. We have mobile phones, shipbuilding and forestry.
But remember, you guys have a VERY VERY small population compared to the US...
Then again, with a population of 300 000+, Iceland managed to fuck everything up.
I need around tree fiddy.
just like it's up to YOU to change it isn't it?! Stand for election or whatever, I dunno. Do something.lowing wrote:
If they do not like it, then it is up to them to change it.
SOrry, I live in a country where you work for yourself and the sweat of your efforts goes toward your benefit and not someone wno decided work is not for them.ruisleipa wrote:
of course it is. I encourage everyone to work. I don't LIKE it when people don't work and just sit back and get benefits, of course not. I think everyone SHOULD work if they can get a fair wage. But it's a good tihng we have free healthcare, libraries etc etc, obviously, as well as a safety net if things fuck up and you're in poverty or on the breadline or whatever. Would I rather pay 5 per cent more tax and get free education, social safety nets, healthcare etc etc? Fucking right I would, because it's a benefit for me and for society as whole. Again, it seems kinda sad you're moaning like it's a personal affront that some poverty-line family gets 100 dollars extra.lowing wrote:
no getting your ass to work and contribute is a good thing, not a bonus for doing nothing. If anyone deserves a bonus, it is those that work more for less.
Having a few small dense cities compared to the HUGE land mass of the US, ranging from metropolis' to small towns.Varegg wrote:
Yeah ... that's it ... population size matters when balancing a budget ...Cybargs wrote:
That was more directed about Norway.DonFck wrote:
We don't have oil. We have mobile phones, shipbuilding and forestry.
But remember, you guys have a VERY VERY small population compared to the US...
One thing I can give credit to Finland is that they have a really good education system.
Sweden still relies maybe not on oil, but an energy sector that keeps its economy afloat.
If a country is so well built, there wouldn't be need for welfare at all. How many of you Euros love going to America to buy shit that costs half as much?
If he didn't even vote in the last presidential election..ruisleipa wrote:
just like it's up to YOU to change it isn't it?! Stand for election or whatever, I dunno. Do something.lowing wrote:
If they do not like it, then it is up to them to change it.
I need around tree fiddy.
So what has that to do with balancing a budget?11 Bravo wrote:
it also helps when the population is the size of one american city
Is it so much easier to balance a budget for 5 million people than it is to balance a budget for 300 million people?
Doesn't matter if it's 1 or 300.000.000 ... the basics are exactly the same ...
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And yet we spend equal amounts of tax ... what does that tell you?lowing wrote:
SOrry, I live in a country where you work for yourself and the sweat of your efforts goes toward your benefit and not someone wno decided work is not for them.ruisleipa wrote:
of course it is. I encourage everyone to work. I don't LIKE it when people don't work and just sit back and get benefits, of course not. I think everyone SHOULD work if they can get a fair wage. But it's a good tihng we have free healthcare, libraries etc etc, obviously, as well as a safety net if things fuck up and you're in poverty or on the breadline or whatever. Would I rather pay 5 per cent more tax and get free education, social safety nets, healthcare etc etc? Fucking right I would, because it's a benefit for me and for society as whole. Again, it seems kinda sad you're moaning like it's a personal affront that some poverty-line family gets 100 dollars extra.lowing wrote:
no getting your ass to work and contribute is a good thing, not a bonus for doing nothing. If anyone deserves a bonus, it is those that work more for less.
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nah......all the illegals and shit we have. the countries you describe are well...basically all white and all the same religion. meh. homogenised little worlds tbh. and that is easier to handle imo.Varegg wrote:
So what has that to do with balancing a budget?11 Bravo wrote:
it also helps when the population is the size of one american city
Is it so much easier to balance a budget for 5 million people than it is to balance a budget for 300 million people?
Doesn't matter if it's 1 or 300.000.000 ... the basics are exactly the same ...
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What energy sector in Sweden are you reffering to?Cybargs wrote:
Having a few small dense cities compared to the HUGE land mass of the US, ranging from metropolis' to small towns.Varegg wrote:
Yeah ... that's it ... population size matters when balancing a budget ...Cybargs wrote:
That was more directed about Norway.
But remember, you guys have a VERY VERY small population compared to the US...
One thing I can give credit to Finland is that they have a really good education system.
Sweden still relies maybe not on oil, but an energy sector that keeps its economy afloat.
If a country is so well built, there wouldn't be need for welfare at all. How many of you Euros love going to America to buy shit that costs half as much?
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Gee, ya think? WHat do you think all of tea party protests and shit is all about? and this govt will be changed.ruisleipa wrote:
just like it's up to YOU to change it isn't it?! Stand for election or whatever, I dunno. Do something.lowing wrote:
If they do not like it, then it is up to them to change it.
Already told you what that tells me. YOU sare coddled by govt. from craddle to grave, and we are being robbed.Varegg wrote:
And yet we spend equal amounts of tax ... what does that tell you?lowing wrote:
SOrry, I live in a country where you work for yourself and the sweat of your efforts goes toward your benefit and not someone wno decided work is not for them.ruisleipa wrote:
of course it is. I encourage everyone to work. I don't LIKE it when people don't work and just sit back and get benefits, of course not. I think everyone SHOULD work if they can get a fair wage. But it's a good tihng we have free healthcare, libraries etc etc, obviously, as well as a safety net if things fuck up and you're in poverty or on the breadline or whatever. Would I rather pay 5 per cent more tax and get free education, social safety nets, healthcare etc etc? Fucking right I would, because it's a benefit for me and for society as whole. Again, it seems kinda sad you're moaning like it's a personal affront that some poverty-line family gets 100 dollars extra.
I seem to remember we have about the same amount of immigration numbers ... religion and race? ... how does that influence your ability to balance a budget ...11 Bravo wrote:
nah......all the illegals and shit we have. the countries you describe are well...basically all white and all the same religion. meh. homogenised little worlds tbh. and that is easier to handle imo.Varegg wrote:
So what has that to do with balancing a budget?11 Bravo wrote:
it also helps when the population is the size of one american city
Is it so much easier to balance a budget for 5 million people than it is to balance a budget for 300 million people?
Doesn't matter if it's 1 or 300.000.000 ... the basics are exactly the same ...
You may have more illegals but they don't leech on a system their not part of or? ... don't you need a social security number for that?
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But what if you could have the same benefits for your share of the taxes you pay?lowing wrote:
Already told you what that tells me. YOU sare coddled by govt. from craddle to grave, and we are being robbed.Varegg wrote:
And yet we spend equal amounts of tax ... what does that tell you?lowing wrote:
SOrry, I live in a country where you work for yourself and the sweat of your efforts goes toward your benefit and not someone wno decided work is not for them.
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they get free healthcare and educationVaregg wrote:
You may have more illegals but they don't leech on a system their not part of or? ... don't you need a social security number for that?