Fair enough ...11 Bravo wrote:
because i live within my means but dont expect others to since they get coddled and it seems perfectly acceptable to people so why bother.Varegg wrote:
Why don't you complain?
The govt takes everyone's money and gives it to other people you might not feel deserve it, be they cops, soldiers, teachers, any govt employees, or, yes, people on welfare.lowing wrote:
The govt. is not supposed to take ANYONES money to give to someone else they feel deserves it more than you.
same could be said for all your threads tbh. go away troll.ruisleipa wrote:
Fuck man get over it.
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I have had it stolen before in Ohio, and the federal govt. has given the states more money for assistance. So yes, I have had it stolen since.Varegg wrote:
You said YOU got your money stolen by the state of Ohio ... so I asked if you live in Ohio ...lowing wrote:
any chance you would address the point of the argument? The govt. is not supposed to take ANYONES money to give to someone else they feel deserves it more than you. They also have welfare where I live now as well, although since I live in a "red state", the benefits are less I do believe, and so are the participants.... Know why there are less people on welfare here? Because being on welfare does not pay, there is no incentive to be on welfare.Varegg wrote:
But you don't live there now so it's not your hard earned tax money they give to the "leeches" ?
no what he is saying is people are taking money when they dont need it or have no real right to it. hence stealing.ruisleipa wrote:
You haven't had anything stolen you've paid taxes. Admittedly some people view all taxes as stealing. Are you one o'them?
I lived 3/4 of my life in Ohio, I paid into Ohio welfare and since the federsal govt. has shelled out more money to the states for welfare benefits, I still am paying for it.Varegg wrote:
So do you live in Ohio lowing?
And how much(%) of your salery goes to taxes?
Just curious ...
sorry you are wrong, working FOR the people is not being on welfare. The govt. requires human resources to function. That is something YOU need to get over.ruisleipa wrote:
The govt takes everyone's money and gives it to other people you might not feel deserve it, be they cops, soldiers, teachers, any govt employees, or, yes, people on welfare.lowing wrote:
The govt. is not supposed to take ANYONES money to give to someone else they feel deserves it more than you.
Fuck man get over it.
You are off the mark with all of this. Sorry
It's not stealing if it's given to you.11 Bravo wrote:
no what he is saying is people are taking money when they dont need it or have no real right to it. hence stealing.
if you lie to get it then yes, it is stealing. happens all the time.ruisleipa wrote:
It's not stealing if it's given to you.11 Bravo wrote:
no what he is saying is people are taking money when they dont need it or have no real right to it. hence stealing.
surely it does.11 Bravo wrote:
if you lie to get it then yes, it is stealing. happens all the time.
\Mekstizzle wrote:
I dunno how my images were spam, they were rather relevant to the topic.
damn right, Mok.Mekstizzle wrote:
No, usmarine said he reported my posts for spam.
but 100% of everyone receiving it has not earned it. While 100% of everyone that has earned has lost it without a choice.ruisleipa wrote:
surely it does.11 Bravo wrote:
if you lie to get it then yes, it is stealing. happens all the time.
doesn't mean everyone receiving it is lying or stealing.
What you seem to be forgetting is, a full time job is not a RIGHT, it is something you have to WORK for and COMPETE to get. The people on wlefare of course donot want to be on wlefare, it is a rediculous notion. I do not want ot be middle class, I would rather be rich, I however have not worked hard enough to be rich, so why should I be? and why should I have the "right" to make myself rich at the expense of others who are rich?Mekstizzle wrote:
No, usmarine said he reported my posts for spam.
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I'd like to think anyone on welfare would rather not be on it than be on it, the majority of people on welfare would be much better off having a full time job than being on welfare... yes you do get cases where some would rather be on welfare than working, but in terms of the total number of people it's small. But the media and such only focus on the people who abuse the system, but of course they would... otherwise it wouldn't be news and they'd be out of a business.
It's just one of the cons of having such a system, I guess. People are within their rights to hate it though. Thing is, it's always going to be there. And as more and more countries develop and become wealthy it's going to start propping up in all the countries, not just the West. That's just how it works. It'll always be there, the idea is to just make the unemployment numbers as small as possible. In some countries it's bigger than others, but it still needs to be there, it's just about having the right balance.
can't have that, some ACLU lawyer would be conjured up to scream cruel and unusual punishment.Cybargs wrote:
They should make welfare collectors mow peoples lawns. earn your fucking money ffs.
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Soz mah bad love.lowing wrote:
can't have that, some ACLU lawyer would be conjured up to scream cruel and unusual punishment.Cybargs wrote:
They should make welfare collectors mow peoples lawns. earn your fucking money ffs.
You can not have a leech earning their welfare, what are you thinking?
Hm ... I pay around 30% tax myself + tax on goods I buy, property tax etc etc ... pretty much just the same as you ...lowing wrote:
I lived 3/4 of my life in Ohio, I paid into Ohio welfare and since the federsal govt. has shelled out more money to the states for welfare benefits, I still am paying for it.Varegg wrote:
So do you live in Ohio lowing?
And how much(%) of your salery goes to taxes?
Just curious ...
hard to tell, I am in a 30% tax bracket, so right there I loose a third, I pay taxes when I buy shit, I pay property taxes, I pay taxes to own a fuckin car, I pay taxes on what I save.
Hmmmm pay on what you make then pay on what you spend and then pay on what you save, then pay on what you own....I dunno but it would appear more than half of money goes to the govt. in one tax or another. watcha think? Any objections to me keeping more of what I EARN for myself? I mean since I am the one doing all of the leg work for it and all. Appreciate it.
I feel for ya, I am not sure what it is like to need govt. coddling form birth to death. How comforting to know you never have to make any real decisions in life. Nope I can empathize with that, I have never been in need of coddling by big brother.Varegg wrote:
Hm ... I pay around 30% tax myself + tax on goods I buy, property tax etc etc ... pretty much just the same as you ...lowing wrote:
I lived 3/4 of my life in Ohio, I paid into Ohio welfare and since the federsal govt. has shelled out more money to the states for welfare benefits, I still am paying for it.Varegg wrote:
So do you live in Ohio lowing?
And how much(%) of your salery goes to taxes?
Just curious ...
hard to tell, I am in a 30% tax bracket, so right there I loose a third, I pay taxes when I buy shit, I pay property taxes, I pay taxes to own a fuckin car, I pay taxes on what I save.
Hmmmm pay on what you make then pay on what you spend and then pay on what you save, then pay on what you own....I dunno but it would appear more than half of money goes to the govt. in one tax or another. watcha think? Any objections to me keeping more of what I EARN for myself? I mean since I am the one doing all of the leg work for it and all. Appreciate it.
So what do I get in return for that money?
*It pays the salery for cops, firemen, doctors, nurces, soldiers, other various government people ...
*It pays for the roads I drive on, traintracks ect etc etc
*It pays for social benefits like: unemployment if I ever becomes one, free hospitals if I ever becomes sick, a cheaper kindergarden (don't need that now but I have in the past), it pays for free education, for libraries where I can lend books for free, for museums (most of them have free entrance), it pays for conservation of nature and culture and it pays for a place where I can live when I get so old that I no longer can take care of myself.
The list is long and much longer than what I just listed ... I think I get a great deal for my tax money, it's also encouraging to think about that some of what I pay in tax also can help others ... what an empathic thought indeed
I trust my government to spend whatever tax I pay wisely and in general they do an awsm job ...
