Both of you back off eachothers back or you'll get a vacation ...11 Bravo wrote:
die in a fire, cunt.Shahter wrote:
which part of "fuck off" don't you understand, dude?11 Bravo wrote:
no...thats not the funny part
Two thingsVaregg wrote:
When you care more about money than humans you are a capitalist aka have lost your emphaty ...
Hence why I rephrased myself and specifically stated the chase for money ... English is not my first language you know ...Dilbert_X wrote:
Two thingsVaregg wrote:
When you care more about money than humans you are a capitalist aka have lost your emphaty ...
empathy =/= emphaty
Don't agree your definition of capitalism is right, there were quaker businesses for example.
Making money is not bad, its how you do it and what you do with it which determines if you're a robber baron or not.
You said very few capitalists are empathetic. YOU are acapitalist. YOU claim you are empathetic and YOU used paying taxes as your proof. The evil rich PAy more taxes than you do, yet claim very few of them are empathetic.Varegg wrote:
You are spinning the wheel lowing ... I said when money means more than people and I stand by that ... you can have rich people that are not die hard capitalists and you can have poor people with no empathy ... it's not this or that, black or white ...lowing wrote:
and I am not speaking of society. i am speaking of YOU. also you did say very few capitalist have empathy, shall I pull it up? MEMBERS of society are not empathetic either just because they pay taxes....The evil rich pay more taxes than you and I and yet you claim very few are empathetic. the evil rich are also members of society, that you claim are empathetic because they pay taxes, so again, which argument are you trying to make.Varegg wrote:
Never said capitalists don't have empathy ... if you read back it all started with me claiming that when the chase for money is more important than caring for human beings something is wrong ...
Didn't say taxes equals empathy either, I said it was more empathic to society as a whole to pay more taxes than to pay less tax and use more money on charity afterwards ...
Read what I write and respond to that rather than twisting what I write into your own delusional opinion ...
I still stand by the textbook definition of what empathy means, you started bringing up farfetched examples with homeless and taxes ...
you are spinning your wheels here Varegg. You have made claims that capitalists are not empathetic, and when challenged, you said YOU are empathetic because YOU pay your taxes...Lets keep it simple, this is what you claim, and I call bullshit on all of it, and have already explained why.
yeah ya did.Varegg wrote:
No I didn't ... you should read back what I stated ... I rephrased my wording once but I still hold the same values as I did before this bickering started ...
And that is as follows: When the chase for money is more important than caring for human beings you have no empathy ... the rest is just mumbo jumbo and quarreling over semantics ...
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I don't need to give away 100 dollars. I pay taxes, what more proof do you need that I care?Pug wrote:
You know, today I thought about giving $100 to a charity. But I didn't do it. But I'm a better person now because I thought about giving away that $100. So I treated myself to a hooker.
*No I don't chase money lowing ...lowing wrote:
yeah ya did.Varegg wrote:
No I didn't ... you should read back what I stated ... I rephrased my wording once but I still hold the same values as I did before this bickering started ...
And that is as follows: When the chase for money is more important than caring for human beings you have no empathy ... the rest is just mumbo jumbo and quarreling over semantics ...
"I didn't assert than everyone with capitalistic success are greedy and lacks empathy ... there are capitalists that have a concience but they are few" <---------you wrote.
But YOU chase money, and YOU hold your finances as more important than any stranger, and why? Because you have responsibilities that need to be met BEFORE anything else, just like the rest of us not caught up in dire straights.
That is as real and as honest as it gets.
I am not quarreling over semantics, that is ruis's job. You provided as proof to your empathy the fact that you pay taxes, that is bullshit. We all pay taxes. You claim that few capitalists have a heart and empathy, yet they ALL also pay taxes, and for some reason this does not count in your eyes.
You are no different than anyone else, get over it.
This happens with every discussion lowing enters. I wouldn't bother.Varegg wrote:
^^ All this have been explained over and over again and yet you fail to understand the nuances ...
Define 'discussion'.Jaekus wrote:
This happens with every discussion lowing enters. I wouldn't bother.Varegg wrote:
^^ All this have been explained over and over again and yet you fail to understand the nuances ...
Do you have a job?Varegg wrote:
*No I don't chase money lowing ...lowing wrote:
yeah ya did.Varegg wrote:
No I didn't ... you should read back what I stated ... I rephrased my wording once but I still hold the same values as I did before this bickering started ...
And that is as follows: When the chase for money is more important than caring for human beings you have no empathy ... the rest is just mumbo jumbo and quarreling over semantics ...
"I didn't assert than everyone with capitalistic success are greedy and lacks empathy ... there are capitalists that have a concience but they are few" <---------you wrote.
But YOU chase money, and YOU hold your finances as more important than any stranger, and why? Because you have responsibilities that need to be met BEFORE anything else, just like the rest of us not caught up in dire straights.
That is as real and as honest as it gets.
I am not quarreling over semantics, that is ruis's job. You provided as proof to your empathy the fact that you pay taxes, that is bullshit. We all pay taxes. You claim that few capitalists have a heart and empathy, yet they ALL also pay taxes, and for some reason this does not count in your eyes.
You are no different than anyone else, get over it.
*No I don't hold my finances as more important than other human beings, if I did I would chase money ...
*No I didn't use paying taxes as proof ... it was brought up as ONE example of how government charity is paid for with the taxes I provide ... and again I didn't use that either as proof for having empathy but as an example.
*I have responsibilities yes, but that doesn't exclude having empathy for other people ...
*And in my eyes if your hunt for money is more important than the well being of the community you are indeed a greedy capitalist and lacks empathy ... I classify myself as a socialistic-capitalist aka capitalism with a conscience, money is important but not that important ...
^^ All this have been explained over and over again and yet you fail to understand the nuances ...
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You're helping her get through college! And at the end of the day, isn't that the finest form of charity? Helping a slightly over weight, meth addicted 19 year old get a degree?Pug wrote:
You know, today I thought about giving $100 to a charity. But I didn't do it. But I'm a better person now because I thought about giving away that $100. So I treated myself to a hooker.
Yes I do, and I can't see how having a job excludes me from being empathic.lowing wrote:
Do you have a job?
Yes I do if I believe I deserve it, and I can't see how that excludes me from being empathic.lowing wrote:
Do you seek raises?
Nope, i'm just fine where I am atm ... and what does that have to do with empathy?lowing wrote:
Do you seek promotions?
Nope, I'm just fine where I am atm ... and what does that have to do with empathy?lowing wrote:
Do you seek to improve your financial situation?
No I'm not chasing money and I'm not kidding myself in that process ...lowing wrote:
Then you my friend, chase money. Nothing to be ashamed of. Just stop kidding yourself into thinking you don't, that somehow, you are above it all.
Yes I used it as an example but not as proof ... no I didn't condemn all other capitalist tax payers either ...lowing wrote:
Yeah ya did use you being a tax payer as proof of your empathy, why do I say this? Because it is the ONLY example you gave of proof. Then you condemned all other capitalist tax payers ( except a few) as being heartless and greedy.
You have not shown this at all ... maybe to yourself but that's about it ...lowing wrote:
Empathy is cheap talk as I have shown.
Speak for yourself ... don't use the word we when you mean yourself ...lowing wrote:
We move about our daily lives not really giving a shit what happened last night anywhere else in the world. Nothing in our daily routine is going to change because someone found out they are dying.
This proves you lacks empathy, it does not however prove that others do ...lowing wrote:
We will not miss a step, or raise an eye of concern over those we do not know. We will not take the day off while we ponder the misfortunes of others, or even try to help. We will mull around our day saying we care, but not really doing shit to help. Just like everyone else who are not involved.
It has nothing to do with empathy, it does show however, you chase money. This somehow is your yardstick for a lack of empathy for everyone but yourself.Varegg wrote:
Yes I do, and I can't see how having a job excludes me from being empathic.lowing wrote:
Do you have a job?Yes I do if I believe I deserve it, and I can't see how that excludes me from being empathic.lowing wrote:
Do you seek raises?Nope, i'm just fine where I am atm ... and what does that have to do with empathy?lowing wrote:
Do you seek promotions?Nope, I'm just fine where I am atm ... and what does that have to do with empathy?lowing wrote:
Do you seek to improve your financial situation?No I'm not chasing money and I'm not kidding myself in that process ...lowing wrote:
Then you my friend, chase money. Nothing to be ashamed of. Just stop kidding yourself into thinking you don't, that somehow, you are above it all.Yes I used it as an example but not as proof ... no I didn't condemn all other capitalist tax payers either ...lowing wrote:
Yeah ya did use you being a tax payer as proof of your empathy, why do I say this? Because it is the ONLY example you gave of proof. Then you condemned all other capitalist tax payers ( except a few) as being heartless and greedy.You have not shown this at all ... maybe to yourself but that's about it ...lowing wrote:
Empathy is cheap talk as I have shown.Speak for yourself ... don't use the word we when you mean yourself ...lowing wrote:
We move about our daily lives not really giving a shit what happened last night anywhere else in the world. Nothing in our daily routine is going to change because someone found out they are dying.This proves you lacks empathy, it does not however prove that others do ...lowing wrote:
We will not miss a step, or raise an eye of concern over those we do not know. We will not take the day off while we ponder the misfortunes of others, or even try to help. We will mull around our day saying we care, but not really doing shit to help. Just like everyone else who are not involved.
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Give you a tenner for a bj?jord wrote:
To be honest everyone has their price, anyone who doesn't is either wealthy enough that they can live life comfortably and enjoyably or lying.
It just depends on what your price is, mine just happens to be quite low.
No it is not. those that do not are police, firefighters, EMT's, nurses, doctors, the good samaritan that pulls a kid out of a wrecked car before it explodes etc....for everyone else, empathy is cheap talk. Yeah that includes tax payersShahter wrote:
lowing, dude, is it really so hard to understand that not everybody measures their life quality in happy-meals-per-day?
Well empathy is what we have discussed in this thread so I'll leave you to your own deranged arguments about what you think we are discussing ...lowing wrote:
It has nothing to do with empathy, it does show however, you chase money. This somehow is your yardstick for a lack of empathy for everyone but yourself.
Well then you are wrong, maybe you are like that but I'm not ... I'm not obsessed with money ...lowing wrote:
If you say you do not seek to better your financial situation through promotion or raises at work, then I will just call you a liar. Everyone that works wants more for their efforts.
There are many like me lowing and more and more jumps off the money means everything train each day ...lowing wrote:
Yeah ya did, already quoted you saying all but a few capitalists have no conscience. All but you of course.
Never said I was empathic BECAUSE I pay my taxes ...lowing wrote:
Sorry Varegg talk with no action is cheap talk, but I forgot, you pay taxes therefore you are empathetic. B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T. and you give no other examples of your righteousness other than being a tax payer
When Haiti happened I helped the local boyscouts organize a drive to collect money, blankets, tents etc etc whatever could be used by those struck by the earthquake.lowing wrote:
I have eyes Varegg, you are no different than the rest of us. Haiti happened, where were you?
Nope, I used my spare time after work ... what did you do?lowing wrote:
Did you take time off of work and cry because you "felt their pain"..Nope, nothing changed in your life because of it.
What ever ...lowing wrote:
You really need to stop kidding yourself into thinking empathy means anything other than cheap talk to those that need action and not your fuckin pity, as you step over them on your way to work, in your effort NOT to make money and better your quality of life for you and your family.
For a tenner ill punch someone of your choice in the face.ghettoperson wrote:
Give you a tenner for a bj?jord wrote:
To be honest everyone has their price, anyone who doesn't is either wealthy enough that they can live life comfortably and enjoyably or lying.
It just depends on what your price is, mine just happens to be quite low.
Never claimed to have one eitherMarlo Stanfield wrote:
Varegg works for Toyota, he has no soul.
"everyone else"? wow. how do you know that?lowing wrote:
No it is not. those that do not are police, firefighters, EMT's, nurses, doctors, the good samaritan that pulls a kid out of a wrecked car before it explodes etc....for everyone else, empathy is cheap talk. Yeah that includes tax payersShahter wrote:
lowing, dude, is it really so hard to understand that not everybody measures their life quality in happy-meals-per-day?
because action speaks louder than words. Hense my point. Who gives a flying fuck how ya FEEL? What you do about it is the difference.Shahter wrote:
"everyone else"? wow. how do you know that?lowing wrote:
No it is not. those that do not are police, firefighters, EMT's, nurses, doctors, the good samaritan that pulls a kid out of a wrecked car before it explodes etc....for everyone else, empathy is cheap talk. Yeah that includes tax payersShahter wrote:
lowing, dude, is it really so hard to understand that not everybody measures their life quality in happy-meals-per-day?
