Turquoise
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+1,596|6668|North Carolina

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

There is anecdotal evidence that when someone is a donor
This is not conclusive in any sense of the word.
I'm not saying it is, but it provides a context for why there is resistance to this law.
Harmor
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So who really owns your body?
Flaming_Maniac
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I wanted to respond and forgot.

The problem with the way everyone is looking at this is you can't own something if you're dead.  Diesel is trying to act as if you are somehow being screwed over, despite the fact that you're dead. Your organs are owned by you so long as you are alive - when you are dead, they are owned by nobody. Your family has no rational cause to possess any of your organs. The only people that have reasonable cause for the possession of your body/organs are those in need of them for life-saving/life-altering transplants and people who want to use your body for research purposes. Frankly you shouldn't be able to deny the use of your body for either purpose, but in light of the irrational but severe social stigma about disrespecting remains the legal obligation to give your body to research is too much.

To say that same stigma holds up in the face of a person's life or death hanging in the balance however is absolutely absurd. You are not in the picture anymore, and for the law to be able to prevent that person from using your specialty lumps of organic matter is obscene. I was wrong in saying it is murder from beyond the grave, because doing anything from beyond the grave makes no sense. What it is is conspiracy to commit murder right now.
Using that logic you would invalidate Wills.
Wills are the only sane way to divide up things of lasting value. Body parts have a short and distinct shelf-life. No one in their right mind has an actual use for their relative's organs, certainly not one better than research or donation.

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

There is anecdotal evidence that when someone is a donor
This is not conclusive in any sense of the word.
I'm not saying it is, but it provides a context for why there is resistance to this law.
The resistance to the law is from social stigma. The "doctors won't try hard to save me" is a rationalization for the stigma.

Harmor wrote:

So who really owns your body?
Once your dead? Nobody does. You certainly don't.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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What puts me off is that the organs have to be harvested while you're still technically alive.

Organs have a value, shelf-life or not, give me something in return if you want them - healthcare discount, tax discount, priority treatment whatever.

Whats next, the state will presume you wanted your savings to go to the govt?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-05-17 22:29:09)

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unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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SenorToenails wrote:

I'd be more worried about this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aclS1pGHp8o

Seriiously though, I'm a donor.  I agree with DrunkFace...what good are they to me after I die?  Of course, I also think it should be my decision...I don't like most opt-out systems.
DAMN that was disturbing.
zeidmaan
Member
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Dilbert_X wrote:

What puts me off is that the organs have to be harvested while you're still technically alive.

Organs have a value, shelf-life or not, give me something in return if you want them - healthcare discount, tax discount, priority treatment whatever.

Whats next, the state will presume you wanted your savings to go to the govt?
slippery-slope fallacy is an invalid argument in any discussion.

Anyway, I find enough value in knowing I will maybe save bunch of people. I wouldn't turn down money if someone offered me a reward of course.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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I don't like the argument as it is, govt shouldn't be 'presuming' anything.
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