BF2S Forums gotta love this "cop watchers"

lowing wrote:

YOu have made it clear that you have every right to tell a cop to go fuck off if you feel like it, and a cop should just get over it or used to it because you think they should have no recourse except to put up with it. I disagree.

lowing wrote:

Cops don't reperesent "the man" for they arrest "the man" as well. This is where your attitude is warped. Cops serve the people, not the man, and i have no problem giving the cops latitude in dealing with assholes that that think they have every right to be assholes to cops.

lowing wrote:

I am not an advocate of cops getting away with anything I just recognize that these occurrence are rare compared to the total interactions that occur daily and do not warrant citizens running around with cam corders filming them. Again if they wanna help, they can film suspected REAL criminal activity within their communities and turn that over to the police.

lowing wrote:

I suppose reward money has never occured to you has it? 15 minutes of fame, etc....

ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

YOu have made it clear that you have every right to tell a cop to go fuck off if you feel like it, and a cop should just get over it or used to it because you think they should have no recourse except to put up with it. I disagree.

Of course they CAN but people's dealings with the police should be ruled by the social norms every social interaction falls under, i.e. of course you shouldn't just tell a cop to fuck off when they're not talking to you or whatever. I don't 'advocate' it at all...you do understand the word 'advocate' yes?

lowing wrote:

Cops don't reperesent "the man" for they arrest "the man" as well. This is where your attitude is warped. Cops serve the people, not the man, and i have no problem giving the cops latitude in dealing with assholes that that think they have every right to be assholes to cops.

Ideally cops serve the people. Often they don't. There are bad cops. They should be caught. Internal affairs can't do it all, so these people ARE helping catch criminals, who happen to be cops. Cops enforce the law. Telling someone to fuck off is rude but not illegal, whether they're a cop or whomever.

lowing wrote:

I am not an advocate of cops getting away with anything I just recognize that these occurrence are rare compared to the total interactions that occur daily and do not warrant citizens running around with cam corders filming them. Again if they wanna help, they can film suspected REAL criminal activity within their communities and turn that over to the police.

Do you spend all your spare time trying to catch criminals? No? Then you're not, by your argument, being a productive member of society. 99% of things people do don't benefit society. This might. There is no problem.

How is a cop breaking the law not a 'REAL' criminal problem? it doesn't make sense.

lowing wrote:

I suppose reward money has never occured to you has it? 15 minutes of fame, etc....

Reward money for what? Answer the question if you can - how would someone filming a cop rbeaking the law benefit financially?

ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

1. "of course you shouldn't just tell a cop to fuck off when they're not talking to you or whatever." <------------ but feel free to tell them to fuck off when they are talking to you...Yet YOU have never done it, and probably never will...I wonder why. I doubt you would take your own advice.

fucking learn to read. It's not my 'advice' is it? I wouldn't fucking RECOMMEND someone to tell a cop to fuck off. I haven't told a cop to fuck off cos I've had no fucking reason to. Or do you normally just walk up to people and tell them to fuck off apropos of nothing? Cos I don't.

lowing wrote:

2. THese people ere no where to be found BEFORE the immigration law was passed. THey don't give a fuck about bad cops, they want to bust cops racial profiling. By the way, how do you suppose they can do that if they only show up AFTER a car has been pulled over, and has no idea why? Stop with the bullshit that these people are just concerned citizens trying to help out IA's as junior IA officers or something. IA has got nothing to do with this or their bullshit concerns. Yet you do not take your own advice and simply tell a cop to fuck off and drive away...Why not? You seem to feel ya have the right.

You fucking DO have the right to tell a cop to fuck off and drive away. IT'S NOT ILLEGAL. But it's not my fucking ADVICE. Jesus christ you're so good at extrapolating bulllshit.

You have NO IDEA who these people are, or what they were doing before this law. If you go and do a background cj´heck on them let me know what they did do beforehand, cos right now you're talking about shit you have no idea about.

How do you know they only want to catch cops racial profiling? SO FUCKIN WHAT if they do. What fuckin difference does it make to you? NONE. you don't even fuckin live in Arizona. And maybe they'll catch a cop doing something else. Or maybe they WON'T catch a cop doing anything illegal, in which case GOOD - everyone's fuckin happy.

lowing wrote:

3. No I don't I let cops take care of that, and if they suspect me for something I am going to be as polite and as respectful as I can. It is called respect for authority, if not simply respect for another person. THey are not beneifiting society by trying to turn every cop into a law suit. Sorry, you know your "concerned citizen trying to help the police catch criminals" is nothing but bullshit so stop trying to serve it up.

So you think everyone on earth should behave just like the mighty lowing? What if they arest you for something you haven't done? Or hit you? Or assault your offspring? Or enter your house illegally? Or any of a thousand other crimes they might commit. You'd be all like 'yessuh nosuh?'. That's your fucking problem.

Respect is earned not just given - same for cops or anyone. I don't 'respect' someone just cos they can arrest me. I blame cartman.

Your assertion that the "concerned citizen trying to help the police catch criminals" is nothing but bullshit is based only on your bullshit prejudices, so I could equally say to you, until you have any proof AT ALL that these guys are just out for money or whatever, stop trying to serve it up.

lowing wrote:

4. Already answered that several times. THis would be used in law suits. Law suits are money.  Cop filmed profiling news at 11, judgement awarded against city of Pheonix for profiling news at 6.

You haven't fucking answered it because if a cop beats someone up and someone films it, the only person getting any money might be the guy beatn up, not the cameraman. So FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME HOW WOULD THE CAMERAGUY MAKE ANY MONEY. They fucking wouldn't, that's the answer. Just cos your life is ruled by money doesn't mean anyone else's is.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Not illegal? wanna bet. It s called obstruction. hindering an investigation....any lawyers wanna chime in on this guys assertion that you have the right to tell a cop to fuck off and drive away when you are approached?

Depends on the country. If you haven't committed a crime the Police have no right to speak to you or stop you.

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Not illegal? wanna bet. It s called obstruction. hindering an investigation....any lawyers wanna chime in on this guys assertion that you have the right to tell a cop to fuck off and drive away when you are approached?

Depends on the country. If you haven't committed a crime the Police have no right to speak to you or stop you.

lmao....I see, so cops can not question you in order to determain if you have been involved in a crime. and if they do question you, all ya gotta do is "nope wasn't me fuck off" and speed away, and that is that, investigation over......ya right.

lmao....I see, so cops can not question you in order to determain if you have been involved in a crime. and if they do question you, all ya gotta do is "nope wasn't me fuck off" and speed away, and that is that, investigation over......ya right.

ruisleipa wrote:

Spark wrote:

The phrase "Reductio ad absurdum" comes to mind...

that's lowings entire 'debating' tactic...haven't you noticed?

ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

I am not the one saying you can tell cops to fuck off any time you want.

legally you can can't you? Although I never said you should.

lowing wrote:

I am not the one saying you can disrespect authority with no legal ramifications.

Well, legally...you pretty much can. Which is as it should be.

lowing wrote:

You are the one spouting off this bullshit, yet have not seemed to do so yourself.

huh?

lowing wrote:

There is nothing absurd about the consequences to such actions. It is reality and correct.

What is absurd is your notion that you think you can or should get away with this sort of behavior, when reality is, you can not nor will not.

Of course you can 'get away with it'. It's not fucking illegal is it.

You still haven't backed up any of YOUR bullshit statements (making money off it, etc) so when you do so come back and gimme something to work with.

ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

now why would ya say ya shouldn't?

errr...for the same reason you shouldn't tell anyone just to fuck off, at least without good reason. Cos it's not polite.

lowing wrote:

no legally there are consequences to your actions, already listed a few.

what obstructing an investigation or some shite? What if there IS no investigation. If you know a specific place where telling a cop to fuck off is against the law, please let me know. The actual act of saying fuck off isn't illegal, is it? No, it isn't. Thank you.

lowing wrote:

huh? <----what part of my sentence was unclear? You say this bullshit, and have never done it yourself.

The huh was more like...so fuckin what? What difference does it make? I think bungee jumping is OK to do but I've never done it, not for me thanks.

lowing wrote:

obviously ya can't , ask eleven bravo. he will tell ya.

I'll wait for him then.

lowing wrote:

Not sure how many times I gotta say it. All of this translates into civil litigation, and civil litigation translates into money. Nothing was said in the article, there for it is a conclusion that is opinion of the future results of this, as I do not have a time machine we are relegated to waiting to see what happens.

Nothing was said in the article because it comes from your head. I'm not sure how many times I have to say that if you get beat up by the cops and someone films it, and that film is used as evidence, then YOU'RE gonna get any money due NOT the ones filming.

So, if you want to try explain why the filmers would get any money, and why that is their motivation, and why it's a bad thing if cops breaking the law get caught, and why stopping police breaking the law isn't making society or citizens safer and why you're not spending all your spare time helping the police - which according to your own argument would make YOU an asshole (quote: "Instead of spending their time and energy actually observing for criminal behavior and aiding the police in making the streets safer for citizens, they choose to watch the police instead. What a bunch of assholes") - then be my guest.

ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

lol ok, so you have never heard of disrderly conduct or failure to comply...being ordered to stop and you ignore them because you think you can will get you in trouble it really is as simple as that, regardless as to your grandstanding otherwise.

Yup it is my opinion. It is also my opinion that I really wanna be there to see you practice what you preach regarding your interactions with the police. Oh wait, ya won't because deep down you know better than to do it. enough said, Take the last word

well done, you have completely failed to justify your ridiculous stance, totally failed to answer any questions I presented, absolutely failed to prove any of your 'arguments', and comprehensively failed this thread.

What a joke.

ruisleipa wrote:

Funny I thought you were done the previous post. Guess not. Shame you haven't answered my questions but I'll put it down to another lowing fail.