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11 Bravo wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

So ALL you do is install parts and report back. Okay, now I see why only a private contracer can do your job.

troll.  what do you do for a living?

nlsme1 wrote:

I was a cop, now I'm a lawyer. My signatures are on contracts. Around $760 mil worth. Now I know what you do. You install componants that others make, per their instructions, and provide some feedback. Tell me again why this could not be done cheaper by a TRAINED military aircraft mechanic?

nlsme1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

So what else do you other then what I said? You engineer any parts? You make any parts? You don't have detailed instructions to use those parts? You don't answer questions concerning said parts? You refine said parts in a way that alters its fit/form/function? You act like you make the fucking plane Lowing. Stop acting like a 2 yr old and debate me. Its your fucking thread. Explain why military personnel can't be trained to do your job. I can except a good argument. Or just say I am dumb, and everyone will know you have been out debated again.

Already told you anyone can be trained to do anything, including signing shit like you do. No I do not engineer parts, i am not an engineer. Already explained the process. I see no reason to repeat it.

I never acted like a "make the fucking plane".  I told you exactly what I have done, and now do. You are the one who made such implications remember "bub"? Making claims you know more about aeronautics than me, when really all you are is some lawyer who sits in a meeting and makes sure everyone dots their "I"'s and crosses their "T"'s. What a hero you are Mr. Armstrong.

I was defeding my experiance with the costs associated with YOUR job. Way to concede my point. A point you called me a dumbfuck for stating. Private contracters are NOT a necessity, and millitary COULD do your job. You really do put on a show for losing. BUB.

You said you knew more about aeronautics than I did, sorry, yer a pencil pusher, a bean counter, come to grips with that. You do not know dick about airplanes. This is why you are a dumb fuck, for making like you are something you are not, then trying to argue it. Not sure how you not knowing dick about aviation or any ones job in aviation makes me a loser. I guess that is the lawyer in you coming out.

And again, like I said, ANYONE can do ANY job if they are trained for it. Or were you born a blood sucking lawyer? Training has got nothing to do with it. Itis the process that is taken to get a system on line for any agency or unit.

eleven bravo wrote:

none of this addresses the fact that the majority of contractor jobs today were filled by military personel during the cold war

Sure if you are talking aobut handing out basketballs at the gym, slopping food on a tray etc....but frontline troops are not involved in the designing and testing of new products, they are trained in the maintenance of that system once it is installed on their aircraft.

THey have military personnel working with the project over seeing its construction etc... but they do not build it or install it.

11 Bravo wrote:

Chou wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

troll.  what do you do for a living?

nlsme1 wrote:

I was a cop, now I'm a lawyer. My signatures are on contracts. Around $760 mil worth. Now I know what you do. You install componants that others make, per their instructions, and provide some feedback. Tell me again why this could not be done cheaper by a TRAINED military aircraft mechanic?

i doubt he was a cop and a lawyer....idiot.

back to EE for you.

Even if I was lying, would it change the fact lowing does no more then I stated?

nlsme1 wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Chou wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

troll.  what do you do for a living?

i doubt he was a cop and a lawyer....idiot.

back to EE for you.

Even if I was lying, would it change the fact lowing does no more then I stated?

Your complete ignorance of aviation does little to show or prove what you think I do or have done.

lowing wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Already told you anyone can be trained to do anything, including signing shit like you do. No I do not engineer parts, i am not an engineer. Already explained the process. I see no reason to repeat it.

I never acted like a "make the fucking plane".  I told you exactly what I have done, and now do. You are the one who made such implications remember "bub"? Making claims you know more about aeronautics than me, when really all you are is some lawyer who sits in a meeting and makes sure everyone dots their "I"'s and crosses their "T"'s. What a hero you are Mr. Armstrong.

I was defeding my experiance with the costs associated with YOUR job. Way to concede my point. A point you called me a dumbfuck for stating. Private contracters are NOT a necessity, and millitary COULD do your job. You really do put on a show for losing. BUB.

You said you knew more about aeronautics than I did, sorry, yer a pencil pusher, a bean counter, come to grips with that. You do not know dick about airplanes. This is why you are a dumb fuck, for making like you are something you are not, then trying to argue it. Not sure how you not knowing dick about aviation or any ones job in aviation makes me a loser. I guess that is the lawyer in you coming out.

And again, like I said, ANYONE can do ANY job if they are trained for it. Or were you born a blood sucking lawyer? Training has got nothing to do with it. Itis the process that is taken to get a system on line for any agency or unit.

No I said my name was on a lot more aircraft then yours. I was just defending your accusations I knew nothing about the industry. There is  lot more to it then mechanics, and lawyers. You might know more about being a mechanic, but YOU know fuck all about costs. Considering I was talking of costs, you pointing out you know more about the craft really is a mute point.

I "won" because you susseeded my point. I"ll point it out again. For the third time. Maybe now you can come to grips with it. It is NOT essential for a private contracter to do your job. That's ALL I was saying. At first you insulted me for it, then you admitt it. Now you still go on and on.

As far as anyone being able to do any job, well, that is false. But a job where you have detailed instructions on what to do, yeah just about anybody could do your job.


Back to the OP
The film might in fact help the cops. Considering they are trying to catch criminal activity on tape. If they succeed, they don't hurt a cop, they catch a criminal.

If a civilian can learn to bolt stuff onto aeroplanes then military personnel can learn to do it too, which is what they did until quite recently, and still do in many countries.

nlsme1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

Even if I was lying, would it change the fact lowing does no more then I stated?

Your complete ignorance of aviation does little to show or prove what you think I do or have done.

You have yet to state you do more then what I have stated. I must know something!

Sorry, you may be a lawyer, but I am not your witness. I have nothing to prove to you.

You are the one who claims to be in aviation, yet turns out you are nothing more than a pencil pusher signing contracts. If anyone had anything to prove it is you.

You have no idea what it takes to troubleshoot and repair aircraft, or even install new systems on an aircraft. Get back with me when you have a clue and can at least discuss aviation intelligently.

Fuckin lawyers, worse than car salesmen

Dilbert_X wrote:

If a civilian can learn to bolt stuff onto aeroplanes then military personnel can learn to do it too, which is what they did until quite recently, and still do in many countries.

Yet again, you think aircraft maintenance is just bolting shit on, shows nothing except your complete lack of knowledge of aviation or aircraft. Or the processes involved on getting new systems to the troops. Like our pencil pusher, get a clue, learn what you are talking about, then join in a conversation.

lowing wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Your complete ignorance of aviation does little to show or prove what you think I do or have done.

You have yet to state you do more then what I have stated. I must know something!

Sorry, you may be a lawyer, but I am not your witness. I have nothing to prove to you.

You are the one who claims to be in aviation, yet turns out you are nothing more than a pencil pusher signing contracts. If anyone had anything to prove it is you.

You have no idea what it takes to troubleshoot and repair aircraft, or even install new systems on an aircraft. Get back with me when you have a clue and can at least discuss aviation intelligently.

Fuckin lawyers, worse than car salesmen

This discussion is NOT ABOUT AVIATION. It is about COSTS. And even if it was about aviation, the same princials apply to a car mechanic. They "troubleshoot" per instructions, they "repair" per instructions, and they "install" per instructions. So you have to get more certs., big deal. You act like I know not of what I speak, yet you keep admitting I am right. GG.

Calling me a dumbass is not where you agree with me. That was just you acting like a kid. It was when you stated you troubleshoot, repair, and install. What I was saying you did all along. Only you innitially said I know fuck all about it. Then you say thats what you do.

And when you follow the FIM and can't solve the problem what do you do? You alter parts? Or do you report the issue, and get a response on what to do next? Because if you do any more then that, you better be more then a mechanic.


I NEVER stated I knew more about aeronautics then you. Please don't put words in my mouth. I stated my name was on more aircraft then yours.

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nlsme1 wrote:

Calling me a dumbass is not where you agree with me. That was just you acting like a kid. It was when you stated you troubleshoot, repair, and install. What I was saying you did all along. Only you innitially said I know fuck all about it. Then you say thats what you do.

And when you follow the FIM and can't solve the problem what do you do? You alter parts? Or do you report the issue, and get a response on what to do next? Because if you do any more then that, you better be more then a mechanic.

If you had said, we troubleshoot and repair systems, you would not be showing how little you know. You didn't say that. I did.

Mechanics in manufacturing companies install systems as well as troubleshoot and repair them. You also obviously have no idea what it takes to troubleshoot a system in order to find the faults, especially those that do not present itself readily.

Mechanics will ask other more experienced mechanics for help in solving problems, might even have to go back to the manufacture for a solution. A lot of times the manufacture will issue bulletins about known issues with a fix for them.

One thing is for sure, none of us has ever called a fuckin lawyer for a parts supplier to troubleshoot an aircraft.

lowing wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

Calling me a dumbass is not where you agree with me. That was just you acting like a kid. It was when you stated you troubleshoot, repair, and install. What I was saying you did all along. Only you innitially said I know fuck all about it. Then you say thats what you do.

And when you follow the FIM and can't solve the problem what do you do? You alter parts? Or do you report the issue, and get a response on what to do next? Because if you do any more then that, you better be more then a mechanic.

If you had said, we troubleshoot and repair systems, you would not be showing how little you know. You didn't say that. I did.

Mechanics in manufacturing companies install systems as well as troubleshoot and repair them. You also obviously have no idea what it takes to troubleshoot a system in order to find the faults, especially those that do not present itself readily.

Mechanics will ask other more experienced mechanics for help in solving problems, might even have to go back to the manufacture for a solution. A lot of times the manufacture will issue bulletins about known issues with a fix for them.

One thing is for sure, none of us has ever called a fuckin lawyer for a parts supplier to troubleshoot an aircraft.

If you're making any mods you'd better be an engineer.