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LostFate wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

burnzz wrote:


heh, our state gaurd unit down the street has some older one's . . .

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2513/410 … 8606f0.jpg
This is the British Army. It's like the Boy Scouts, but with worse funding.
you know i don't know where people get this from, The British Army has some of the best kit in the world, people expect no one to die and no one to get injured and when they do they blame the kit shortages, its WAR people get injured and people die, so you either agree or disagree with the war in the first place but don't blame the kit.
I blame Humvees.
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LostFate wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

burnzz wrote:


heh, our state gaurd unit down the street has some older one's . . .

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2513/410 … 8606f0.jpg
This is the British Army. It's like the Boy Scouts, but with worse funding.
you know i don't know where people get this from, The British Army has some of the best kit in the world, people expect no one to die and no one to get injured and when they do they blame the kit shortages, its WAR people get injured and people die, so you either agree or disagree with the war in the first place but don't blame the kit.
Lol British Army actually is fairly well equipped.

As for Uzique's isolationist policy, I agree, however you got to keep the defense exports strong so you can ramp up production easily when Britain does get involved in a war.
ROGUEDD
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JahManRed wrote:

Uzique wrote:

well, good. i don't want massive military-industrial spending in order to finance illegal wars against atavistic tribesmen with AK47's and RPG's, anyway. nor do i want a Trident nuclear-defense system. the UK Army is under-financed and ill equipped? good. we don't have any wars to fight and there is no present threat to our homeland security. spend the billions on stuff that will provide a benefit for the citizens here and now, ta.
How right you are.

But what about the military fanboys....................they need something to cheer about and get dazzled by all the shinny metal work and bombs and shit.
Ah hm
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Trotskygrad
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ROGUEDD wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Uzique wrote:

well, good. i don't want massive military-industrial spending in order to finance illegal wars against atavistic tribesmen with AK47's and RPG's, anyway. nor do i want a Trident nuclear-defense system. the UK Army is under-financed and ill equipped? good. we don't have any wars to fight and there is no present threat to our homeland security. spend the billions on stuff that will provide a benefit for the citizens here and now, ta.
How right you are.

But what about the military fanboys....................they need something to cheer about and get dazzled by all the shinny metal work and bombs and shit.
Ah hm
Lol, and http://forums.bf2s.com/profile.php?id=32436
FEOS
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He'll have the Falklands to fight in soon enough.

Or another tour in Afghanistan (apparently an "illegal" war, according to Uzique...lol).

Another Prince Andrew, but with cooler helicopters.
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FEOS wrote:

He'll have the Falklands to fight in soon enough.

Or another tour in Afghanistan (apparently an "illegal" war, according to Uzique...lol).

Another Prince Andrew, but with cooler helicopters.
I find it funny whenever someone refers to a war as "illegal."

Pretty much no one gives a fuck about international law lol... The fuck is the UN going to do? VETO BABYYYYYYYYYYY
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Trotskygrad wrote:

ROGUEDD wrote:

JahManRed wrote:


How right you are.

But what about the military fanboys....................they need something to cheer about and get dazzled by all the shinny metal work and bombs and shit.
Ah hm
Lol, and http://forums.bf2s.com/profile.php?id=32436
That's shifty too, did ya forget?
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
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Uzique wrote:

well, good. i don't want massive military-industrial spending in order to finance illegal wars against atavistic tribesmen with AK47's and RPG's, anyway. nor do i want a Trident nuclear-defense system. the UK Army is under-financed and ill equipped? good. we don't have any wars to fight and there is no present threat to our homeland security. spend the billions on stuff that will provide a benefit for the citizens here and now, ta.
Free flats and spending money for single-mother chavettes is my suggestion.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

There's sod all chance of him ever being exposed to any real risk, given only 24 graduate a year and helicopters are in short supply shouldn't someone else be doing this?
Well he has already been on the front line and patrolling until the media decided to tell the terrorists and bring his unit under more harm.

If they can keep it quiet I can see him serving front line again.
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Adams_BJ wrote:

Well he has already been on the front line and patrolling.
Sure he has.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Adams_BJ wrote:

Well he has already been on the front line and patrolling.
Sure he has.
Well, actually he was, as a FAC. He even wore a US flag on his cap as a further means of protecting his identity.
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I very much doubt he got to within 20 miles of action, he would have been surrounded by teams of SAS and Gurkhas.
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pace51
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This thread inspired me to write an AH-64 Apache guide. Lol.
Though, Harry probably deserved to fly one. They dont just put anyone in the Apache's, not even a Prince. People are usually stuck in the Lynx. He's probably earned it, and can probably fly well.

Last edited by pace51 (2010-05-08 08:11:55)

Uzique
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Uzique wrote:

well, good. i don't want massive military-industrial spending in order to finance illegal wars against atavistic tribesmen with AK47's and RPG's, anyway. nor do i want a Trident nuclear-defense system. the UK Army is under-financed and ill equipped? good. we don't have any wars to fight and there is no present threat to our homeland security. spend the billions on stuff that will provide a benefit for the citizens here and now, ta.
Free flats and spending money for single-mother chavettes is my suggestion.
hey any form of (wasteful and shitty) social welfare funding is better than blowing up tribal farmers in the ME...

im bored of watching tax-money being pissed away so our country can play make-pretend war with a bunch of struggling former colonials.

let it go and stop being silly.
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Dilbert_X
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Uzique wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Uzique wrote:

well, good. i don't want massive military-industrial spending in order to finance illegal wars against atavistic tribesmen with AK47's and RPG's, anyway. nor do i want a Trident nuclear-defense system. the UK Army is under-financed and ill equipped? good. we don't have any wars to fight and there is no present threat to our homeland security. spend the billions on stuff that will provide a benefit for the citizens here and now, ta.
Free flats and spending money for single-mother chavettes is my suggestion.
hey any form of (wasteful and shitty) social welfare funding is better than blowing up tribal farmers in the ME...

im bored of watching tax-money being pissed away so our country can play make-pretend war with a bunch of struggling former colonials.

let it go and stop being silly.
I think a well equipped army is worth having, money spent gets recycled through companies back into the economy, and sometimes we can sell the eqpt developed to other countries.
Burning up money and lives foisting dumocracy on people who don't want it and proctecting one set of warlords against another is not so clever.
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Uzique wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Uzique wrote:

well, good. i don't want massive military-industrial spending in order to finance illegal wars against atavistic tribesmen with AK47's and RPG's, anyway. nor do i want a Trident nuclear-defense system. the UK Army is under-financed and ill equipped? good. we don't have any wars to fight and there is no present threat to our homeland security. spend the billions on stuff that will provide a benefit for the citizens here and now, ta.
Free flats and spending money for single-mother chavettes is my suggestion.
hey any form of (wasteful and shitty) social welfare funding is better than blowing up tribal farmers in the ME...

im bored of watching tax-money being pissed away so our country can play make-pretend war with a bunch of struggling former colonials.

let it go and stop being silly.
5 billion a year to ensure we are invasion proof > 600 billion a year on welfare.
Uzique
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who's going to invade? NK? syria? france under a new freshly-installed emperor?
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Spark
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Vilham wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


Free flats and spending money for single-mother chavettes is my suggestion.
hey any form of (wasteful and shitty) social welfare funding is better than blowing up tribal farmers in the ME...

im bored of watching tax-money being pissed away so our country can play make-pretend war with a bunch of struggling former colonials.

let it go and stop being silly.
5 billion a year to ensure we are invasion proof > 600 billion a year on welfare.
think it's a fair bit more than 5
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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Uzique
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36,702,000,000 in 2010/2011 budget

by the way the entire 'social protection' system (which involves a lot more than welfare) costs ~£150 billion.

so we're really at that much of a risk of invasion that we need to spend such a high proportion? an extra 40 billion on top of the current social spending, or education, or health-service, could go a long way.

Last edited by Uzique (2010-05-09 06:03:46)

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Spark
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i would point out that the majority of technological and scientific research comes from the military or is militarily funded
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Vilham
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Uzique wrote:

36,702,000,000 in 2010/2011 budget

by the way the entire 'social protection' system (which involves a lot more than welfare) costs ~£150 billion.

so we're really at that much of a risk of invasion that we need to spend such a high proportion? an extra 40 billion on top of the current social spending, or education, or health-service, could go a long way.
that 36 billion will be for the next 8 years, its costing us 100 billion for the next 20 years.

You are correct, that 600 billion figure was off, that was from some break down i saw a few weeks ago on ITV news. Which i think might actually have been 300 billion, comprised of the first 3 categories from the site below. So on that I was wrong.

Here are the actual figures:

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/gover … iture.html

Welfare is 105 billion a year, defence is 43 billion, i know which I would rather stays the same. As you can see as well an extra 40 billion would go fuck all. its a twelfth of national spending, and it employs hundreds of thousands of our citizens, lots of who would otherwise probably be doing nothing on welfare.
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A military keeps people employed, keeps the technology and manufacturing part of the economy ticking over, enables exports and maintains a strategic reserve if needed - unlikely though it is.
Also enables humanitarian work when required, and means the UK is relevant in world politics.

I'd rather see Damian Shellsuit kept busy learning new skills, travelling, gaining world experience and keeping his nose clean lest his sergeant kick the crap out of him than standing on a street corner with a pit bull and a wad of dole in his pocket.
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Cybargs
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Vilham wrote:

Uzique wrote:

36,702,000,000 in 2010/2011 budget

by the way the entire 'social protection' system (which involves a lot more than welfare) costs ~£150 billion.

so we're really at that much of a risk of invasion that we need to spend such a high proportion? an extra 40 billion on top of the current social spending, or education, or health-service, could go a long way.
that 36 billion will be for the next 8 years, its costing us 100 billion for the next 20 years.

You are correct, that 600 billion figure was off, that was from some break down i saw a few weeks ago on ITV news. Which i think might actually have been 300 billion, comprised of the first 3 categories from the site below. So on that I was wrong.

Here are the actual figures:

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/gover … iture.html

Welfare is 105 billion a year, defence is 43 billion, i know which I would rather stays the same. As you can see as well an extra 40 billion would go fuck all. its a twelfth of national spending, and it employs hundreds of thousands of our citizens, lots of who would otherwise probably be doing nothing on welfare.
Holy shit Welfare for UK is that high per year? Still kinda surprised even after I read the story about a single mom with 5 kids that got a free house. what the shit.
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Uzique
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was going from the official government link, vilham

http://www.mod.uk/defenceinternet/about … ending.htm

and yeah, dilbert. okay, good point. but that seems like a cheap way to solve a bigger social problem.

Last edited by Uzique (2010-05-09 06:47:32)

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Dilbert_X
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Welfare is a self-digging pit, the more money you throw in the deeper it gets.
Social welfare is important but it needs to be kept in check.

I'm not saying its the solution for every chav or all social ills, its just part of it.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-05-09 06:49:24)

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