The great thing about America is fascism is so far away from our life that people identify the Bush and Obama administration with it.
Poll
Since joining BF2S's D&ST, have your political views strayed to the...
| Far Left | 9% | 9% - 6 | ||||
| Left | 7% | 7% - 5 | ||||
| Moderate Left | 19% | 19% - 12 | ||||
| Center (more or less) | 26% | 26% - 17 | ||||
| Moderate Right | 9% | 9% - 6 | ||||
| Right | 19% | 19% - 12 | ||||
| Far Right | 7% | 7% - 5 | ||||
| Total: 63 | ||||||
Indeed... I suppose that could be seen as a "positive". Makes one frown though.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Every item on KMarions list fits the Bush admin perfectly.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
The great thing about America is fascism is so far away from our life that people identify the Bush and Obama administration with it.
Fuck Israel
Fascism is an extreme manifestation of traditional conservative/neoconservative principles, so it's not very surprising to see the similarities with the Bush Administration.
that's the tragic thing. right-wing pundits and political commentators exaggerate and sensationalize every little scrap of news and paint an extremely skewed and unrepresentative picture of the political spectrum; the mudslinging and exchange of extreme words such as 'communist' and 'fascist' is not a celebration of the brilliantly egalitarian, centrist and democratic state that you have created: it's a symptom of your political borders being hemmed in to a partisan system that relishes its own narrowmindedness and constraints.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
The great thing about America is fascism is so far away from our life that people identify the Bush and Obama administration with it.
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
I know what facism is, what the definition is and that Obama is far from being one ... the political system you have don't allow facism to grow ... a facist does NOT have the best interest of the people in mind and believe it or not but that's Obamas agenda ... even though many Americans have difficulty seing just that ...lowing wrote:
simple really, look up the definition, and look at what Obama has done is doing or will try to do...Go ahead give it a shot, only thing is, you gotta be honest.Varegg wrote:
I wonder how you can know what facism means and then call Obama a facist ... I wonder ...
I would call him a socialist leaning conservative long before using the term facist ...
That's my honest opinion ...
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Hitler wasn't a facist either you know, he was an ultra socialistic nationalist ... Mussolini was a facist ...lowing wrote:
fascism does not automatically equal Hitler...when you break away from that stigma, and go with what fascsim actually means. Obama and hids actions are fascist.vI have made no reference to Hitler.Turquoise wrote:
Only if you stretch what's happening. Obama is no more a fascist than Bush was.lowing wrote:
you are drifting away form the context of my orginal argument.
BY definition of fascism.......do you agree Obama's action qualifies as fascist? govt. controll over private industry, salary caps for private citizens,
The stiffling of opossing view points, ( not yet but a very real possiblity with this administration and congress.
I used to criticize Bush a lot when he was in office, but I never used the typical "Bush = Hitler" arguments. Nowadays, it seems that people are trying to do the same with Obama.
Obama isn't controlling any private industries anymore than what our stock holdings allow. For example, the only major company that the government has bought a controlling interest in is GM, but that's largely because the Canadian government bought a large chunk of it as well. Naturally, we needed to buy more in order to have more leverage.
Salary caps aren't fascism anymore than the FCC's censorship of media is.
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same difference as saying that maoist china wasnt communist, it was state-socialist to be honest...
to all effect, doctrines and ideology aside, the system at the receiving end was pretty much fascism. he assumed complete dictatorial power of all branches of government/military and silenced all opposition - including dissent within his own ranks. economy, industry and trade were all textbook fascism, as well.
mussolini was a true fascist from the offset, yeah. true failure, too.
to all effect, doctrines and ideology aside, the system at the receiving end was pretty much fascism. he assumed complete dictatorial power of all branches of government/military and silenced all opposition - including dissent within his own ranks. economy, industry and trade were all textbook fascism, as well.
mussolini was a true fascist from the offset, yeah. true failure, too.
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
Most extreme forms of government is doomed to fail, they simply aren't balanced enough to sustain growth over a period of time ...
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what are you talking about i thought the great leap forward was a huge success
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
Shortly successful ...Uzique wrote:
what are you talking about i thought the great leap forward was a huge success
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Unless they have a real or imagined enemy to motivate the population against.Varegg wrote:
Most extreme forms of government is doomed to fail, they simply aren't balanced enough to sustain growth over a period of time ...
Just re-read '1984' again.
Fuck Israel
Was talking about IRL and not fictionDilbert_X wrote:
Unless they have a real or imagined enemy to motivate the population against.Varegg wrote:
Most extreme forms of government is doomed to fail, they simply aren't balanced enough to sustain growth over a period of time ...
Just re-read '1984' again.
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he-ey man, dontcha know, 1984 is (mis)quoted so often and so tiresomely that it's basically NON-fiction now
UH OH BIG BROTHER!
UH OH BIG BROTHER!
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
that's true, and that's a real shame
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Dunno, look at North Korea.Varegg wrote:
Was talking about IRL and not fictionDilbert_X wrote:
Unless they have a real or imagined enemy to motivate the population against.Varegg wrote:
Most extreme forms of government is doomed to fail, they simply aren't balanced enough to sustain growth over a period of time ...
Just re-read '1984' again.
Fuck Israel
Okay ... lets look at North Korea, since when did North Korea do well, since when was their style of government a success?Dilbert_X wrote:
Dunno, look at North Korea.Varegg wrote:
Was talking about IRL and not fictionDilbert_X wrote:
Unless they have a real or imagined enemy to motivate the population against.
Just re-read '1984' again.
Ask a North Korean if he is proud of the way his country has turned out since the 50's ...
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The North Korean 'govt' has survived over a remarkable period of time, so has Cuba's, thats the point.
Fuck Israel
To say the Bush administration entwined religion and state/had rampant sexism/fraudulent elections/controlling mass media etc. just indicates your complete lack of rational thought, the void of your head filled completely by partisan propaganda.
Not to defend idiotic sensationalism, but it's a measure of what a care-free life we live, with so few tests of our individual rights that even relatively small ones that each infringement seems like fascists knocking at the door.Uzique wrote:
that's the tragic thing. right-wing pundits and political commentators exaggerate and sensationalize every little scrap of news and paint an extremely skewed and unrepresentative picture of the political spectrum; the mudslinging and exchange of extreme words such as 'communist' and 'fascist' is not a celebration of the brilliantly egalitarian, centrist and democratic state that you have created: it's a symptom of your political borders being hemmed in to a partisan system that relishes its own narrowmindedness and constraints.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
The great thing about America is fascism is so far away from our life that people identify the Bush and Obama administration with it.
Try reading the definition of fascism, and not what someone wrote as the characteristics of Hitlers Germany.Kmarion wrote:
Now that I think about it.. some of those highlighted points are where the Right complains he doesn't fall in line with..lol.
They say..
He doesn't wear the flag pendant everywhere he goes. (1)
He is hurting the Military (4)
He waste money supporting the arts. Uni professors are indoctrinating students to be liberal. (11)
Weak on National Security (7)
Isn't tough on crime. (12)
Supports Unions. (10)
not any more than you can prove I am a racist I guess.eleven bravo wrote:
so you cant....alrighty. lowing throws in the towel yet again. . youre not a rock, youre a pebble.lowing wrote:
as I said, pick any one of your posts where you used the term against what I posted.....you will find that you have used the word inappropriately BY definition.eleven bravo wrote:
no? okie dokie
Your denial does not matter much and has nothing to do with the FACT of the matter.
dude. youre the one that brought race up. you made a claim, now grow a pair of nuts and back it up or move along.
Tu Stultus Es
and yet as usual, you never address the points only, attack and dismiss.ruisleipa wrote:
Seriously give it a rest lowing, you're making yourself out to be a real twat right now. Paranoid and delusional tbh.lowing wrote:
Obama and hids actions are fascist.
I addressed the definition with examples as to how it fits Obamas govt. Calling me a twat is hardly a counter argument for the points made. but from you there is no real surprise.
wtf are talking about
you made claim, care to back it up. I made no claim. the onus is on you smart guy. show me where I defined racism anywhere in this forum and Ill give you a fucking cookie. wow haha
you made claim, care to back it up. I made no claim. the onus is on you smart guy. show me where I defined racism anywhere in this forum and Ill give you a fucking cookie. wow haha
Tu Stultus Es
our govt. does not allow govt control of private industry and yet here we are.....Varegg wrote:
I know what facism is, what the definition is and that Obama is far from being one ... the political system you have don't allow facism to grow ... a facist does NOT have the best interest of the people in mind and believe it or not but that's Obamas agenda ... even though many Americans have difficulty seing just that ...lowing wrote:
simple really, look up the definition, and look at what Obama has done is doing or will try to do...Go ahead give it a shot, only thing is, you gotta be honest.Varegg wrote:
I wonder how you can know what facism means and then call Obama a facist ... I wonder ...
I would call him a socialist leaning conservative long before using the term facist ...
That's my honest opinion ...
Obama does not have the peoples best interest in mind. He has the peoples dependency on govt. in mind. and no, that is not in the best interests of the people.