simple really, look up the definition, and look at what Obama has done is doing or will try to do...Go ahead give it a shot, only thing is, you gotta be honest.Varegg wrote:
I wonder how you can know what facism means and then call Obama a facist ... I wonder ...
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yeah or a fuckin fortune teller...or full of shit.lowing wrote:
or will try to do... you gotta be honest.
From far left to moderate left with a bit of conservatism, maybe even from far left to center.
care to back that statement with any kind of evidencelowing wrote:
now this is good coming from one of those that has redefined racism.eleven bravo wrote:
why do y ou fuckers even bother. lowing goes by his own definitions of words
Tu Stultus Es
I can remember a time not to long ago that Bush = Hitler. We compare every President to Hitler. I almost wish the guy would have won.burnzz wrote:
only for the stupid ones. a big % i'll admit, but yeah . . .ghettoperson wrote:
I do love it how Socialism = Hitler in the US.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
fine go with what he already did.ruisleipa wrote:
yeah or a fuckin fortune teller...or full of shit.lowing wrote:
or will try to do... you gotta be honest.
fascism is also private companies controlled by govt. Anyway you can deny that?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31701
I know I know ya hate it, but...time for you to learn ot live with it what it means....Especially since you all are on a back to grassroots definition kick and all.
lol, sure will the second you back your statements that I am racist with any kind of evidence. The second you do, I will have my proof.eleven bravo wrote:
care to back that statement with any kind of evidencelowing wrote:
now this is good coming from one of those that has redefined racism.eleven bravo wrote:
why do y ou fuckers even bother. lowing goes by his own definitions of words
eleven bravo wrote:
care to back that statement with any kind of evidencelowing wrote:
now this is good coming from one of those that has redefined racism.eleven bravo wrote:
why do y ou fuckers even bother. lowing goes by his own definitions of words
Tu Stultus Es
Pick any post where you call me a racist, and you will have your evidence. you have called me a racist for addressing SOCIAL issues. Not what the words means.eleven bravo wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
care to back that statement with any kind of evidencelowing wrote:
now this is good coming from one of those that has redefined racism.
eleven bravo wrote:
care to back that statement with any kind of evidencelowing wrote:
now this is good coming from one of those that has redefined racism.eleven bravo wrote:
why do y ou fuckers even bother. lowing goes by his own definitions of words
Tu Stultus Es
no? okie dokie
Tu Stultus Es
lowing wrote:
fine go with what he already did.ruisleipa wrote:
yeah or a fuckin fortune teller...or full of shit.lowing wrote:
or will try to do... you gotta be honest.
fascism is also private companies controlled by govt. Anyway you can deny that?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31701
I know I know ya hate it, but...time for you to learn ot live with it what it means....Especially since you all are on a back to grassroots definition kick and all.
What is economic fascism? Define it, in your own words.
again, equating obama with fascism is just dumb, there's no two ways about it. But you go on living in your little world of paranoia and fear of socialists and muslims and we'll get on with the real world.lowing wrote:
fine go with what he already did.ruisleipa wrote:
yeah or a fuckin fortune teller...or full of shit.lowing wrote:
or will try to do... you gotta be honest.
fascism is also private companies controlled by govt. Anyway you can deny that?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31701
I know I know ya hate it, but...time for you to learn ot live with it what it means....Especially since you all are on a back to grassroots definition kick and all.
coulda swore I just did that.......oh well...........economic fascism as I meant it, is partial of the whole word fascism definition..Bertster7 wrote:
lowing wrote:
fine go with what he already did.ruisleipa wrote:
yeah or a fuckin fortune teller...or full of shit.
fascism is also private companies controlled by govt. Anyway you can deny that?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31701
I know I know ya hate it, but...time for you to learn ot live with it what it means....Especially since you all are on a back to grassroots definition kick and all.
What is economic fascism? Define it, in your own words.
the part I was referring to is govt. control over private industry......It has happened and it fits in the definition of fascsim.
I love it, just call it dumb with no explanation as to how it is dumb... Especially since BY DEFINITION I pointed out what he is doing fits. If you are going to deny it, then explain how it is wrongruisleipa wrote:
again, equating obama with fascism is just dumb, there's no two ways about it. But you go on living in your little world of paranoia and fear of socialists and muslims and we'll get on with the real world.lowing wrote:
fine go with what he already did.ruisleipa wrote:
yeah or a fuckin fortune teller...or full of shit.
fascism is also private companies controlled by govt. Anyway you can deny that?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31701
I know I know ya hate it, but...time for you to learn ot live with it what it means....Especially since you all are on a back to grassroots definition kick and all.
I got it, how about you start with the American auto industry and health care industry, govt. control over private salary, and tell us all how, BY DEFINITION of fascism, that Obama's actions do not qualify
Last edited by lowing (2010-05-03 15:36:20)
as I said, pick any one of your posts where you used the term against what I posted.....you will find that you have used the word inappropriately BY definition.eleven bravo wrote:
no? okie dokie
Your denial does not matter much and has nothing to do with the FACT of the matter.
How can someone be a Fascist and a Liberal?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
good question, I found this "In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. He states that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2]"Kmarion wrote:
How can someone be a Fascist and a Liberal?
taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
However, there is no denying what he has done by definition is the action of a fascist govt.
Yea I have it. It's under my bathroom sink. I'll take a picture of it when I get home..lollowing wrote:
good question, I found this "In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. He states that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2]"Kmarion wrote:
How can someone be a Fascist and a Liberal?
taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
However, there is no denying what he has done by definition is the action of a fascist govt.
It was a joke.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
regardless, is it wrong?Kmarion wrote:
Yea I have it. It's under my bathroom sink. I'll take a picture of it when I get home..lollowing wrote:
good question, I found this "In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. He states that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2]"Kmarion wrote:
How can someone be a Fascist and a Liberal?
taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
However, there is no denying what he has done by definition is the action of a fascist govt.
It was a joke.
Others seem to follow suit and agree
http://www.danielpipes.org/5355/fascism … liberalism
Last edited by lowing (2010-05-03 15:57:31)
Most Fascist movements are very statist when it comes to social policy. By modern standards, that would mostly imply social conservatism.lowing wrote:
good question, I found this "In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. He states that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2]"Kmarion wrote:
How can someone be a Fascist and a Liberal?
taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
However, there is no denying what he has done by definition is the action of a fascist govt.
Most liberals in America would be considered somewhat statist in economic policy, but mostly libertarian in social policy.
So, in an American context, liberal fascism isn't really a relevant topic. You can draw parallels with liberals and socialists, but American liberals are much more economically moderate than liberals in Europe or Canada.
you are drifting away form the context of my orginal argument.Turquoise wrote:
Most Fascist movements are very statist when it comes to social policy. By modern standards, that would mostly imply social conservatism.lowing wrote:
good question, I found this "In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. He states that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2]"Kmarion wrote:
How can someone be a Fascist and a Liberal?
taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
However, there is no denying what he has done by definition is the action of a fascist govt.
Most liberals in America would be considered somewhat statist in economic policy, but mostly libertarian in social policy.
So, in an American context, liberal fascism isn't really a relevant topic. You can draw parallels with liberals and socialists, but American liberals are much more economically moderate than liberals in Europe or Canada.
BY definition of fascism.......do you agree Obama's action qualifies as fascist? govt. controll over private industry, salary caps for private citizens,
The stiffling of opossing view points, ( not yet but a very real possiblity with this administration and congress.
If you are making up new meanings then no it's not wrong. However, Fascism and Liberalism are at odds with each other.lowing wrote:
regardless, is it wrong?Kmarion wrote:
Yea I have it. It's under my bathroom sink. I'll take a picture of it when I get home..lollowing wrote:
good question, I found this "In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. He states that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2]"
taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
However, there is no denying what he has done by definition is the action of a fascist govt.
It was a joke.
Others seem to follow suit and agree
http://www.danielpipes.org/5355/fascism … liberalism
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I did not link the two. I said Obamas actions were fascist........do you agree or not ( by definition of fascist)Kmarion wrote:
If you are making up new meanings then no it's not wrong. However, Fascism and Liberalism are at odds with each other.lowing wrote:
regardless, is it wrong?Kmarion wrote:
Yea I have it. It's under my bathroom sink. I'll take a picture of it when I get home..lol
It was a joke.
Others seem to follow suit and agree
http://www.danielpipes.org/5355/fascism … liberalism
Only if you stretch what's happening. Obama is no more a fascist than Bush was.lowing wrote:
you are drifting away form the context of my orginal argument.
BY definition of fascism.......do you agree Obama's action qualifies as fascist? govt. controll over private industry, salary caps for private citizens,
The stiffling of opossing view points, ( not yet but a very real possiblity with this administration and congress.
I used to criticize Bush a lot when he was in office, but I never used the typical "Bush = Hitler" arguments. Nowadays, it seems that people are trying to do the same with Obama.
Obama isn't controlling any private industries anymore than what our stock holdings allow. For example, the only major company that the government has bought a controlling interest in is GM, but that's largely because the Canadian government bought a large chunk of it as well. Naturally, we needed to buy more in order to have more leverage.
Salary caps aren't fascism anymore than the FCC's censorship of media is.