Poll

Since joining BF2S's D&ST, have your political views strayed to the...

Far Left9%9% - 6
Left7%7% - 5
Moderate Left19%19% - 12
Center (more or less)26%26% - 17
Moderate Right9%9% - 6
Right19%19% - 12
Far Right7%7% - 5
Total: 63
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

I wonder how you can know what facism means and then call Obama a facist ... I wonder ...
simple really, look up the definition, and look at what Obama has done is doing or will try to do...Go ahead give it a shot, only thing is, you gotta be honest.
ruisleipa
Member
+149|6193|teh FIN-land

lowing wrote:

or will try to do... you gotta be honest.
yeah or a fuckin fortune teller...or full of shit.
Longbow
Member
+163|6617|Odessa, Ukraine
From far left to moderate left with a bit of conservatism, maybe even from far left to center.
eleven bravo
Member
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lowing wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

why do y ou fuckers even bother. lowing goes by his own definitions of words
now this is good coming from one of those that has redefined racism.
care to back that statement with any kind of evidence
Tu Stultus Es
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6571|132 and Bush

burnzz wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

I do love it how Socialism = Hitler in the US.
only for the stupid ones. a big % i'll admit, but yeah . . .
I can remember a time not to long ago that Bush = Hitler. We compare every President to Hitler. I almost wish the guy would have won.
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lowing
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+1,662|6622|USA

ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

or will try to do... you gotta be honest.
yeah or a fuckin fortune teller...or full of shit.
fine go with what he already did.

fascism is also private companies controlled by govt. Anyway you can deny that?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31701

I know I know ya hate it, but...time for you to learn ot live with it what it means....Especially since you all are on a back to grassroots definition kick and all.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6622|USA

eleven bravo wrote:

lowing wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

why do y ou fuckers even bother. lowing goes by his own definitions of words
now this is good coming from one of those that has redefined racism.
care to back that statement with any kind of evidence
lol, sure will the second you back your statements that I am racist with any kind of evidence. The second you do, I will have my proof.
eleven bravo
Member
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eleven bravo wrote:

lowing wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

why do y ou fuckers even bother. lowing goes by his own definitions of words
now this is good coming from one of those that has redefined racism.
care to back that statement with any kind of evidence
Tu Stultus Es
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6622|USA

eleven bravo wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

lowing wrote:


now this is good coming from one of those that has redefined racism.
care to back that statement with any kind of evidence
Pick any post where you call me a racist, and you will have your evidence. you have called me a racist for addressing SOCIAL issues. Not what the words means.
eleven bravo
Member
+1,399|5230|foggy bottom

eleven bravo wrote:

lowing wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

why do y ou fuckers even bother. lowing goes by his own definitions of words
now this is good coming from one of those that has redefined racism.
care to back that statement with any kind of evidence
Tu Stultus Es
eleven bravo
Member
+1,399|5230|foggy bottom
no? okie dokie
Tu Stultus Es
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6552|SE London

lowing wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

or will try to do... you gotta be honest.
yeah or a fuckin fortune teller...or full of shit.
fine go with what he already did.

fascism is also private companies controlled by govt. Anyway you can deny that?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31701

I know I know ya hate it, but...time for you to learn ot live with it what it means....Especially since you all are on a back to grassroots definition kick and all.


What is economic fascism? Define it, in your own words.
ruisleipa
Member
+149|6193|teh FIN-land

lowing wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

or will try to do... you gotta be honest.
yeah or a fuckin fortune teller...or full of shit.
fine go with what he already did.

fascism is also private companies controlled by govt. Anyway you can deny that?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31701

I know I know ya hate it, but...time for you to learn ot live with it what it means....Especially since you all are on a back to grassroots definition kick and all.
again, equating obama with fascism is just dumb, there's no two ways about it. But you go on living in your little world of paranoia and fear of socialists and muslims and we'll get on with the real world.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6622|USA

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:


yeah or a fuckin fortune teller...or full of shit.
fine go with what he already did.

fascism is also private companies controlled by govt. Anyway you can deny that?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31701

I know I know ya hate it, but...time for you to learn ot live with it what it means....Especially since you all are on a back to grassroots definition kick and all.


What is economic fascism? Define it, in your own words.
coulda swore I just did that.......oh well...........economic fascism as I meant it, is partial of the whole word fascism definition..

the part I was referring to is govt. control over private industry......It has happened and it fits in the definition of fascsim.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6622|USA

ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

yeah or a fuckin fortune teller...or full of shit.
fine go with what he already did.

fascism is also private companies controlled by govt. Anyway you can deny that?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31701

I know I know ya hate it, but...time for you to learn ot live with it what it means....Especially since you all are on a back to grassroots definition kick and all.
again, equating obama with fascism is just dumb, there's no two ways about it. But you go on living in your little world of paranoia and fear of socialists and muslims and we'll get on with the real world.
I love it, just call it dumb with no explanation as to how it is dumb... Especially since BY DEFINITION I pointed out what he is doing fits. If you are going to deny it, then explain how it is wrong

I got it, how about you start with the American auto industry and health care industry, govt. control over private salary, and tell us all how, BY DEFINITION of fascism, that Obama's actions do not qualify

Last edited by lowing (2010-05-03 15:36:20)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|6622|USA

eleven bravo wrote:

no? okie dokie
as I said, pick any one of your posts where you used the term against what I posted.....you will find that you have used the word inappropriately BY definition.

Your denial does not matter much and has nothing to do with the FACT of the matter.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6571|132 and Bush

How can someone be a Fascist and a Liberal?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6622|USA

Kmarion wrote:

How can someone be a Fascist and a Liberal?
good question, I found this "In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. He states that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2]"

taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism

However, there is no denying what he has done by definition is the action of a fascist govt.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6571|132 and Bush

lowing wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

How can someone be a Fascist and a Liberal?
good question, I found this "In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. He states that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2]"

taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism

However, there is no denying what he has done by definition is the action of a fascist govt.
Yea I have it. It's under my bathroom sink. I'll take a picture of it when I get home..lol

It was a joke.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6622|USA

Kmarion wrote:

lowing wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

How can someone be a Fascist and a Liberal?
good question, I found this "In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. He states that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2]"

taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism

However, there is no denying what he has done by definition is the action of a fascist govt.
Yea I have it. It's under my bathroom sink. I'll take a picture of it when I get home..lol

It was a joke.
regardless, is it wrong?

Others seem to follow suit and agree

http://www.danielpipes.org/5355/fascism … liberalism

Last edited by lowing (2010-05-03 15:57:31)

Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6376|North Carolina

lowing wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

How can someone be a Fascist and a Liberal?
good question, I found this "In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. He states that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2]"

taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism

However, there is no denying what he has done by definition is the action of a fascist govt.
Most Fascist movements are very statist when it comes to social policy.  By modern standards, that would mostly imply social conservatism.

Most liberals in America would be considered somewhat statist in economic policy, but mostly libertarian in social policy.

So, in an American context, liberal fascism isn't really a relevant topic.  You can draw parallels with liberals and socialists, but American liberals are much more economically moderate than liberals in Europe or Canada.
lowing
Banned
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Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

How can someone be a Fascist and a Liberal?
good question, I found this "In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. He states that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2]"

taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism

However, there is no denying what he has done by definition is the action of a fascist govt.
Most Fascist movements are very statist when it comes to social policy.  By modern standards, that would mostly imply social conservatism.

Most liberals in America would be considered somewhat statist in economic policy, but mostly libertarian in social policy.

So, in an American context, liberal fascism isn't really a relevant topic.  You can draw parallels with liberals and socialists, but American liberals are much more economically moderate than liberals in Europe or Canada.
you are drifting away form the context of my orginal argument.

BY definition of fascism.......do you agree Obama's action qualifies as fascist? govt. controll over private industry, salary caps for private citizens,

The stiffling of opossing view points, ( not yet but a very real possiblity with this administration and congress.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6571|132 and Bush

lowing wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

lowing wrote:


good question, I found this "In the book, Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. He states that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that prior to World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2]"

taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism

However, there is no denying what he has done by definition is the action of a fascist govt.
Yea I have it. It's under my bathroom sink. I'll take a picture of it when I get home..lol

It was a joke.
regardless, is it wrong?

Others seem to follow suit and agree

http://www.danielpipes.org/5355/fascism … liberalism
If you are making up new meanings then no it's not wrong. However, Fascism and Liberalism are at odds with each other.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6622|USA

Kmarion wrote:

lowing wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Yea I have it. It's under my bathroom sink. I'll take a picture of it when I get home..lol

It was a joke.
regardless, is it wrong?

Others seem to follow suit and agree

http://www.danielpipes.org/5355/fascism … liberalism
If you are making up new meanings then no it's not wrong. However, Fascism and Liberalism are at odds with each other.
I did not link the two. I said Obamas actions were fascist........do you agree or not ( by definition of fascist)
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6376|North Carolina

lowing wrote:

you are drifting away form the context of my orginal argument.

BY definition of fascism.......do you agree Obama's action qualifies as fascist? govt. controll over private industry, salary caps for private citizens,

The stiffling of opossing view points, ( not yet but a very real possiblity with this administration and congress.
Only if you stretch what's happening.  Obama is no more a fascist than Bush was.

I used to criticize Bush a lot when he was in office, but I never used the typical "Bush = Hitler" arguments.  Nowadays, it seems that people are trying to do the same with Obama.

Obama isn't controlling any private industries anymore than what our stock holdings allow.  For example, the only major company that the government has bought a controlling interest in is GM, but that's largely because the Canadian government bought a large chunk of it as well.  Naturally, we needed to buy more in order to have more leverage.

Salary caps aren't fascism anymore than the FCC's censorship of media is.

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