you are a retard. there. see? not only you can name call.ruisleipa wrote:
OK let's just call him a prejudiced bigot...he's admitted to that already so there's no problem.
/will be deleted/awm'd by a mod since i said something but meh.
/will be deleted/awm'd by a mod since i said something but meh.
told you before I am not going to address a format like this from you. I have one argument Islam and how violent and intolerant it is. If you want argue that it isn't fine. But I will not respond to this bullshit.ruisleipa wrote:
maybe you don't understand what you are writing but you DID compare them here:lowing wrote:
ask your counterparts I am not the one trying to compare them. Get caught upso please catch up.lowing wrote:
it was so historically fucking insignificant compared to Islamright and that would be a) a few states that don't like the west? b) a loose coalition (s) of individuals who through media and political manipulation and the ability of people like you to get worked up over pointless shit have managed to make you believe they can really do shit to us? c) the entire muslim world and every muslim on earth?lowing wrote:
those that planned the attacks, plans future attacks, financed the attacks, financing future attacks, harbors attackers and future attackers, and all those that celebrate it, rationalize it, and justify it.
Despite what you think, THE ANSWER IS NOT C.
In fact judging by your criteria you'd have to include a few million people in the West as well who aren't Muslim. Maybe you should widen your net.
Although if you have ANY evidence that any state has declared war on the US then go ahead and show it, otherwise maybe you should consider the fact that the people most responsible for this 'war' you are talking about...are you.OK let's just call him a prejudiced bigot...he's admitted to that already so there's no problem.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Hating Muslims isn't racist, unless you only hate the ones of Arabic descent, so lowing isn't racist in that respect...as long as he hates all of them equally.
That's cause you got nothin'.
Just because you are completely ignorant of it does not mean it was insignificant on the world stage.lowing wrote:
the scale and the number of deaths kinda sorta makes a significant dent in your argument. Also it does not onmly affect the US, it affected many nations on all continents. Ireland affected well, Ireland.... didn't the IRA fight for independence from England? Again so insignificant on the world stage I would haveto go back and read up.Bertster7 wrote:
The IRA were fighting for a united Catholic Ireland.lowing wrote:
Wasn;t the IRA fighting for independence and not convertion to Christianity, i dunno it was so insignificant in the world I would have to go back and read.
Islamic terrorism is pretty insignificant to much of the world. For you, it's all purely about the US. Because the US is the primary target of Islamic terrorism of course that makes it far more important than any other historical examples of religiously motivated terrorism that your eyes have been closed to.
Aren't Islamic terrorists fighting for united Islamic control of what they consider to be their region (the former caliphate)? They're certainly not fighting for global conversion.
Hmmm.....
On one hand you have the IRA fighting for a united Catholic Ireland and the other Islamic extremists fighting for a united Islamic caliphate.
It'd be nice if once, just once, you actually addressed some points. The fact you won't acknowledge the similarities between two just makes you even more of a figure of ridicule.
I've already put the two things as simply as possible:
Same thing. The difference we have here is purely one of scale - and nowhere near the sort of difference in scale you seem to think. If it were not for 9/11 I think the Troubles may be ahead in overall casualties.On one hand you have the IRA fighting for a united Catholic Ireland and the other Islamic extremists fighting for a united Islamic caliphate.
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lowing wrote:
Really? If you can point out where I said "no other religious groups did bad shit". I will apologize and concede the argument.FatherTed wrote:
His point was there are other religious groups who do bad shit, you said no there wasn't, so i provided a view of other religious groups doing -stuff-. but backpedal all you want.lowing wrote:
-stuff-
People being shot by Protestants just for being Catholic? Bombs in several countries killing lots of people?lowing wrote:
The second Christianity make a name for itself as an international terror threat, we will talk about it, until then no worries.
That's what an international terror threat is.
I accept your apology and concession.
oh it's the format you object to...lowing wrote:
told you before I am not going to address a format like this from you. I have one argument Islam and how violent and intolerant it is. If you want argue that it isn't fine. But I will not respond to this bullshit.
lmao
brilliant skills there
you do have one argument yes, that you repeat ad naseum and has been demonstrated many times over to be full of holes and totally irrational, but since yuo're not interested in debating anything. I dunno why you bother posting the same old shite.
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Wow thankfully she didn't get hired. There would have probably been a huge lawsuite within a couple years of her working there.
Unfortuantely current events, Sharia Law, and the Koran disagrees with you. I don't need an argument, all I need to do is sit back and post it when it happens, and there is no shortage of events to choose from.ruisleipa wrote:
oh it's the format you object to...lowing wrote:
told you before I am not going to address a format like this from you. I have one argument Islam and how violent and intolerant it is. If you want argue that it isn't fine. But I will not respond to this bullshit.
lmao
brilliant skills there
you do have one argument yes, that you repeat ad naseum and has been demonstrated many times over to be full of holes and totally irrational, but since yuo're not interested in debating anything. I dunno why you bother posting the same old shite.
lol this is just one reason why your...what should we call them now, not arguments...er...groundless rhetoric fails.lowing wrote:
I don't need an argument, all I need to do is sit back and post it when it happens
oh, so you have read the Koran? And I mean actually read it properly?lowing wrote:
Unfortuantely current events, Sharia Law, and the Koran disagrees with you. I don't need an argument, all I need to do is sit back and post it when it happens, and there is no shortage of events to choose from.ruisleipa wrote:
oh it's the format you object to...lowing wrote:
told you before I am not going to address a format like this from you. I have one argument Islam and how violent and intolerant it is. If you want argue that it isn't fine. But I will not respond to this bullshit.
lmao
brilliant skills there
you do have one argument yes, that you repeat ad naseum and has been demonstrated many times over to be full of holes and totally irrational, but since yuo're not interested in debating anything. I dunno why you bother posting the same old shite.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
lol groundless...gotta love itruisleipa wrote:
lol this is just one reason why your...what should we call them now, not arguments...er...groundless rhetoric fails.lowing wrote:
I don't need an argument, all I need to do is sit back and post it when it happens
Nope Spark I haven;t what I have read are those people including Muslims, that haveread the damn thing. Believe it or not, I do have eyes and ears.Spark wrote:
oh, so you have read the Koran? And I mean actually read it properly?lowing wrote:
Unfortuantely current events, Sharia Law, and the Koran disagrees with you. I don't need an argument, all I need to do is sit back and post it when it happens, and there is no shortage of events to choose from.ruisleipa wrote:
oh it's the format you object to...
lmao
brilliant skills there
you do have one argument yes, that you repeat ad naseum and has been demonstrated many times over to be full of holes and totally irrational, but since yuo're not interested in debating anything. I dunno why you bother posting the same old shite.
Even if I have read the damn thing from cover to cover 10 times, you would then argue interpretation. So what difference, really, does it make whether I personally have read it or not?
http://www.bibleprobe.com/islamapostates.htm, http://www.islamreview.com/testimonials … ever.shtml
and plenty more where this came from.
These people have read it, and in fact lived it... Are you going to read their stories and their reasons for leaving Islam? Does this change your mind? nope? Then what is the point other than my disgust for Islam is far more than "groundless", like is constantly suggested
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lowing is a bigot. lowing is a racist. lowing is a bigot.ruisleipa wrote:
you do have one argument yes, that you repeat ad naseum
you telling someone they are a broken record is lol
well...lowing wrote:
http://www.bibleprobe.com/islamapostates.htm, http://www.islamreview.com/testimonials … ever.shtml
and plenty more where this came from.
...and it is not because of the birth rate in the muslim counties, it is growing in places like America, Europe and Australia..The second-largest religion in the world after Christianity, Islam is also the fastest-growing religion.
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
Yeah, and coupled with what Islam is and does, do you mind if I have a negitve opinion on that fact?Beduin wrote:
well...lowing wrote:
http://www.bibleprobe.com/islamapostates.htm, http://www.islamreview.com/testimonials … ever.shtml
and plenty more where this came from....and it is not because of the birth rate in the muslim counties, it is growing in places like America, Europe and Australia..The second-largest religion in the world after Christianity, Islam is also the fastest-growing religion.
No. That does not mean that your opinion is true!lowing wrote:
Yeah, and coupled with what Islam is and does, do you mind if I have a negitve opinion on that fact?Beduin wrote:
well...lowing wrote:
http://www.bibleprobe.com/islamapostates.htm, http://www.islamreview.com/testimonials … ever.shtml
and plenty more where this came from....and it is not because of the birth rate in the muslim counties, it is growing in places like America, Europe and Australia..The second-largest religion in the world after Christianity, Islam is also the fastest-growing religion.
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
lol, what say you of the opinions of the people that have EXPERIENCED Islam, such as those I just posted, are you prepared to call them liars as well? Because really, it is them I listen to, coupled with the actions I already know that have been done in the name of Ilsam to form an opinion.Beduin wrote:
No. That does not mean that your opinion is true!lowing wrote:
Yeah, and coupled with what Islam is and does, do you mind if I have a negitve opinion on that fact?Beduin wrote:
well...
...and it is not because of the birth rate in the muslim counties, it is growing in places like America, Europe and Australia..
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I don't belive in thier truth either... They might have been raped when they were little, but to say it is Islam that made sure they got raped... hmm, no!lowing wrote:
lol, what say you of the opinions of the people that have EXPERIENCED Islam, such as those I just posted.Beduin wrote:
No. That does not mean that your opinion is true!
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
a) that's not an argument, I'm merely suggesting why lowing's 'arguments' are merely unjustified irrational hogswash.11 Bravo wrote:
lowing is a bigot. lowing is a racist. lowing is a bigot.ruisleipa wrote:
you do have one argument yes, that you repeat ad naseum
you telling someone they are a broken record is lol
b) considering all your posts involve insulting or swearing at people I dunno where you're coming from.
irony is ironicruisleipa wrote:
a) that's not an argument, I'm merely suggesting why lowing's 'arguments' are merely unjustified irrational hogswash.11 Bravo wrote:
lowing is a bigot. lowing is a racist. lowing is a bigot.ruisleipa wrote:
you do have one argument yes, that you repeat ad naseum
you telling someone they are a broken record is lol
b) considering all your posts involve insulting or swearing at people I dunno where you're coming from.
indeed.11 Bravo wrote:
irony is ironic
Islam doesn't 'do' anything. It's a belief system. People do things based on interpretations of that. And since only a small percentage of Muslims (who tend to be those shunned by many others) ever do anything bad based on those interpretations, your constant labelling of all muslims as terrorists and vice versa and Islam as a threat to the world etc. etc. ad nauseum is rather dull.lowing wrote:
Yeah, and coupled with what Islam is and does, do you mind if I have a negitve opinion on that fact?
Of course, if you limited your accusations at only those extremists who actually do do anything bad then you'd probably have more support for your rhetoric.
your argument is stupid
no yours is.
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no yours is.
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What I just posted and you obviously ignored, did not come form extremists. It came form people more experienced with Islam than you and I, and yet you still insist on dismissing their claims, and you refuse to acknowledge them. SO we are at an impasse, nothing more for you and I to discuss.ruisleipa wrote:
Islam doesn't 'do' anything. It's a belief system. People do things based on interpretations of that. And since only a small percentage of Muslims (who tend to be those shunned by many others) ever do anything bad based on those interpretations, your constant labelling of all muslims as terrorists and vice versa and Islam as a threat to the world etc. etc. ad nauseum is rather dull.lowing wrote:
Yeah, and coupled with what Islam is and does, do you mind if I have a negitve opinion on that fact?
Of course, if you limited your accusations at only those extremists who actually do do anything bad then you'd probably have more support for your rhetoric.
You are right Islam doesn't do anything, it teaches. Muslims do things good and bad. Glad you finally acknowledge the difference between Islam and Muslims, and as such ya now know why I condemn Islam for what it teaches and not all Muslims as you stubbornly insist I do.
Do you realize how dumb fuck you look by spouting off about Islam=Muslims and all of your rhetoric that went behind it, only to state the very difference that I have been pointing out, all on your own?
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Well you will not take expeirenced members of this religion to their word, ya know those that lived Islam and practiced it and read the Koran (your big denying point of any opinion that didn't). So if you refuse to listen to these people and call them liars, really, what else is there to say?Beduin wrote:
I don't belive in thier truth either... They might have been raped when they were little, but to say it is Islam that made sure they got raped... hmm, no!lowing wrote:
lol, what say you of the opinions of the people that have EXPERIENCED Islam, such as those I just posted.Beduin wrote:
No. That does not mean that your opinion is true!