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lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Uzique wrote:

errr lowing the violence between catholics and protestants in (northern)-ireland is explicitly and intrinsically related to denominational partisanship

we colonized all of the orient and african continent with a western-christian mentality that heralded us as the cultured, enlightened ones with the correct religion, with the liberal (or more sinister racist) motivation of 'educating' the rest of the world. the immediate violence, rape and exploitation is rivaled in terms of monstrosity possibly only by the lasting influence of the christian church now on these countries - where it helps to perpetuate gender/class divisions, spread disease/restrict humanitarian aid, and further perpetuate partisan violence. gj christian church.

I couldn't care less what the catholics and protestants do to one another in Ireland. It is nothing more than gang violence, and it stays with them.
Islam is not only fighting amongst itself, it has taken the fight to the world who chooses not to bow to Islam.

again lets move toward current events shall we? Stop speaking of hundreds of years ago as if it what is current events today. It is undeniable that Islam is the reigning king of religious based terrorism in todays world. Lets stick to that point.

That's convenient isn't it.

For any given example of religious extremism by Christians, you just dismiss it as gang violence or such like (I also seem to remember you dismissing Christians burning suspected witches in Africa for similar reasons).

Absolutely pathetic. Completely unable to see anything in a rational, reasoned manner. Applying double standards to everything and ignoring facts. I note there hasn't been any response to:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hitlers hatred was not based in fact but in scapegoating their problems..

the last 13 hijackers of airliners were Muslim. All of the sucide bombers are Muslim... Sorry if their APPEARS to be a pattern

Both the claims above are untrue. Joel Henry Hinrichs ring any bells? Aeroméxico Flight 576, hijacked by a Bolivian. CanJet Flight 918 hijacked by a Jamaican.

Who are these last 13 hijackers who are supposedly Muslims?

Which is yet another example of you simply having the facts wrong. It's nothing to do with interpretation, the basis for your argument there is just wrong. Plain and simple.

Why is this? It's because many of these stories are under-reported by western news agencies due to lack of interest. Islamic terrorism sells more papers, gets better TV ratings and therefore gets more coverage - this has only really been the case for the past decade though.

lowing wrote:

yeah holy lands that is also claimed EQUALLY by the Jews and Christians alike and yet Jews and Christians are not blowing up children in schools and women in marketplaces, or blowing up airplanes and trains

That's because they're now in control. When they weren't it was a very different picture. Ever hear of the Irgun, Lehi, the King David hotel bombing?

What is irrational is your insistance that what is happening with Islam today is no different that what happened in Ireland.

lowing wrote:

You insist on comparing apples and oranges as the same thing. It is not. What happened in Ireland had no affect on world economies, oil supplies, wars, etc... Islamic action does.

lowing wrote:

So when you want to discuss rationally about what is happening within Islam feel free to get back with me.

lowing wrote:

Something else I just love about you all, you all seem to love the term "neo" now. You attach it to everything. It is so cute

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Uzique wrote:

errr lowing the violence between catholics and protestants in (northern)-ireland is explicitly and intrinsically related to denominational partisanship

we colonized all of the orient and african continent with a western-christian mentality that heralded us as the cultured, enlightened ones with the correct religion, with the liberal (or more sinister racist) motivation of 'educating' the rest of the world. the immediate violence, rape and exploitation is rivaled in terms of monstrosity possibly only by the lasting influence of the christian church now on these countries - where it helps to perpetuate gender/class divisions, spread disease/restrict humanitarian aid, and further perpetuate partisan violence. gj christian church.

I couldn't care less what the catholics and protestants do to one another in Ireland. It is nothing more than gang violence, and it stays with them.
Islam is not only fighting amongst itself, it has taken the fight to the world who chooses not to bow to Islam.

again lets move toward current events shall we? Stop speaking of hundreds of years ago as if it what is current events today. It is undeniable that Islam is the reigning king of religious based terrorism in todays world. Lets stick to that point.

That's convenient isn't it.

For any given example of religious extremism by Christians, you just dismiss it as gang violence or such like (I also seem to remember you dismissing Christians burning suspected witches in Africa for similar reasons).

Absolutely pathetic. Completely unable to see anything in a rational, reasoned manner. Applying double standards to everything and ignoring facts. I note there hasn't been any response to:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hitlers hatred was not based in fact but in scapegoating their problems..

the last 13 hijackers of airliners were Muslim. All of the sucide bombers are Muslim... Sorry if their APPEARS to be a pattern

Both the claims above are untrue. Joel Henry Hinrichs ring any bells? Aeroméxico Flight 576, hijacked by a Bolivian. CanJet Flight 918 hijacked by a Jamaican.

Who are these last 13 hijackers who are supposedly Muslims?

Which is yet another example of you simply having the facts wrong. It's nothing to do with interpretation, the basis for your argument there is just wrong. Plain and simple.

Why is this? It's because many of these stories are under-reported by western news agencies due to lack of interest. Islamic terrorism sells more papers, gets better TV ratings and therefore gets more coverage - this has only really been the case for the past decade though.


That's because they're now in control. When they weren't it was a very different picture. Ever hear of the Irgun, Lehi, the King David hotel bombing?

What is irrational is your insistance that what is happening with Islam today is no different that what happened in Ireland.

That's because it is very, very similar. Both are examples of religiously motivated terror campaigns which have taken place in recent years. That's not an irrational comparison at all.

lowing wrote:

You insist on comparing apples and oranges as the same thing. It is not. What happened in Ireland had no affect on world economies, oil supplies, wars, etc... Islamic action does.

World economies? Yes it did.
Oil supplies? Not really - but that's down to geography rather than anything else.
Wars? I think the IRA would disagree with you.

Not that any of that is remotely relevant to the fact that they are extremely similar. You have a knack for ignoring the similarities and only focusing on the differences.

A Core 2 Duo doesn't have Hyperthreading and a Pentium 4 does - I suppose that means that a Core 2 Duo isn't a CPU?

Of course they are both CPUs and of course they have some differences - when put in absolute terms like this it's easy to see how ludicrous your perspective is. Of course the real world isn't about absolutes, so it's less clear and that must be why it is so confusing to certain small minded people who don't have a proper grasp on reality.

lowing wrote:

So when you want to discuss rationally about what is happening within Islam feel free to get back with me.

lowing wrote:

Something else I just love about you all, you all seem to love the term "neo" now. You attach it to everything. It is so cute

When did I last use the word "neo"?

Yet again, I notice you don't seem to be answering anything.

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Wasn;t the IRA fighting for independence and not convertion to Christianity, i dunno it was so insignificant in the world I would have to go back and read.

The IRA were fighting for a united Catholic Ireland.

Islamic terrorism is pretty insignificant to much of the world. For you, it's all purely about the US. Because the US is the primary target of Islamic terrorism of course that makes it far more important than any other historical examples of religiously motivated terrorism that your eyes have been closed to.

Aren't Islamic terrorists fighting for united Islamic control of what they consider to be their region (the former caliphate)? They're certainly not fighting for global conversion.

Hmmm.....

On one hand you have the IRA fighting for a united Catholic Ireland and the other Islamic extremists fighting for a united Islamic caliphate.

It'd be nice if once, just once, you actually addressed some points. The fact you won't acknowledge the similarities between two just makes you even more of a figure of ridicule.

FatherTed wrote:

lowing you're so wrong its unreal

Ireland affected...Ireland? lol so the bombs in England must not have happened, i'll forget the 'good-bye' phone call my mum gave me when i was eight when a bomb exploded the street across from her in Manchester. And ill forget the story my dad told me of his catholic school-bus driver being shot dead in the street because he was a catholic. Get real

And while were at it, Mohammed would be a kiddy-fiddler if he lived today. In his time life-expec was shorter, so people got sexed earlier. get some perspective.

lowing wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

lowing you're so wrong its unreal

Ireland affected...Ireland? lol so the bombs in England must not have happened, i'll forget the 'good-bye' phone call my mum gave me when i was eight when a bomb exploded the street across from her in Manchester. And ill forget the story my dad told me of his catholic school-bus driver being shot dead in the street because he was a catholic. Get real

And while were at it, Mohammed would be a kiddy-fiddler if he lived today. In his time life-expec was shorter, so people got sexed earlier. get some perspective.

-stuff-

lowing wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

lowing wrote:

-stuff-

His point was there are other religious groups who do bad shit, you said no there wasn't, so i provided a view of other religious groups doing -stuff-. but backpedal all you want.

Really? If you can point out where I said "no other religious groups did bad shit". I will apologize and concede the argument.

Uzique wrote:

lowing wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

lowing you're so wrong its unreal

Ireland affected...Ireland? lol so the bombs in England must not have happened, i'll forget the 'good-bye' phone call my mum gave me when i was eight when a bomb exploded the street across from her in Manchester. And ill forget the story my dad told me of his catholic school-bus driver being shot dead in the street because he was a catholic. Get real

And while were at it, Mohammed would be a kiddy-fiddler if he lived today. In his time life-expec was shorter, so people got sexed earlier. get some perspective.

He was speaking of Catholics vs Protestants. then switched to the IRA. You musta missed the part where I asked if the IRA wasn't fighting England for independence.

Regardless, the argument is the same, and as I said, it affected no one except those in the fight ( you musta missed that part as well).

There still is no comparsion to what happened with the IRA and what IS HAPPENING with Islam. No matter what angle you try and present your argument there is no comparison in regards to deaths, economy, and the numbers of those involved and affected. So stop trying

Same goes for Muhammad stop trying to justify him fucking an 8 year old girl or chopping the heads off of over 600 people.

lowing you are fucking clueless on ALL fronts of history except those spoken about on FOX News in the morning, apparently.

"Switched" to IRA? catholic-ireland versus protestant-england? the IRA are a religiously partisan organization- their terrorism is religious, inasmuch as the Islamic world's cultural war against the western world is synonymous with Islam vs. Christianity. the IRA's attacks are targeted on INNOCENT civilians and the terrorizing of BYSTANDERS in order to make a political point against the anglo-protestant world. sectarian and nasty. the IRA have bombed plenty of public spaces and many innocent people have been killed simply because of their beliefs in (northern) ireland and on UK soil in the last few decades. your view of history is extremely narrowminded, coloured and full of absolute illogical bullshittery.

Uzique wrote:

america made it a matter of economy and the world stage. you declared war on an undefinable and unconquerable enemy. dont blame the islamic world at large. blame the extremist minority and your own previous administration for making such a huge, poorly informed kneejerk reaction. no doubt it was designed to stimulate your economy and galvanize your people as much as it was intended to 'stimulate' the loss of american lives. bush and co. are just as much to blame and should assume just as much responsibility as the extremists in their caves.

lowing wrote:

it was so historically fucking insignificant compared to Islam on the world stage, I needed to read up on it

Uzique wrote:

you sound like a parrot, you keep repeating the same unjustified and unproven rhetoric... standard spiel... it's boring.

you might want to go read the HISTORY BOOKS, fuck re-reading your stupid dumbass PAPERS. yes, there were terrorist attacks in the years that you mentioned- but do you understand why? what provoked the attacks? what their cause was? what fomented the cause and bred the attitude in the first place? do you understand the history and geopolitics of the western world's relation to the middle-east throughout the cold war and beyond? evidently not. very fucking evidently not.

ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

THEY declared war on us.

LMFAO 'they' being who exactly? The entire Islamic world and every Muslim on earth, or one minor group of fanatical fuckheads who have been blown up out of all proportion by the media and politicians to represent a threat to the entire Western world?

FatherTed wrote:

dispute my post kthx