College Students and Brain Drugs

2010-04-25 21:16:21

#1

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5523|Cleveland, Ohio

More people, especially college students trying to improve their grades, are illegally boosting their brain power by using prescription "smart drugs" like Ritalin and Aderall, meant for those with attention deficit disorders.

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I find this lazy as hell. What concerns me most is not the half ass atitude these kids find acceptable, but where does it end? So you get good grades and your resume looks great yes? Does that mean you will be shit at work unless you pop a pill? Life is not an app on your iphone....you have to work for it.

2010-04-25 21:18:38

#2

mtb0minime: minimember; +2,418|6940

It all started when they were little. Idiot parents telling them they must be the absolute best and putting too much pressure on them, yet not instilling any work ethic or morals into the kids. It's now coming back to bite them, and it will eventually come back to bite these kids, too.

2010-04-25 21:21:59

#3

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6823|Long Island, New York

It's nothing new.

But... what's the difference between drinking a red bull or 2 and popping an adderall? Are you saying everyone should just do their studying completely naturally - just sleep, eat, read? What about people who drink coffee to stay up to study?

I'm not condoning it or anything, but it's not like they're truly cheating. They're actually doing the work, they're just using something to aid their focus. It is, however, highly dangerous and I'm staying the fuck away from it for my whole college career.

2010-04-25 21:23:15

#4

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5545|foggy bottom

I know this isnt a new problem because I remember the episode of saved by the bell where Jesse gets the spotlight put on her use of uppers to get good grades.

Also liv tylers character in the movie empire records was a speed freak school girl.

Tu Stultus Es

2010-04-25 21:23:46

#5

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5523|Cleveland, Ohio

Poseidon wrote:
It's nothing new.

But... what's the difference between drinking a red bull or 2 and popping an adderall? Are you saying everyone should just do their studying completely naturally - just sleep, eat, read? What about people who drink coffee to stay up to study?

I'm not condoning it or anything, but it's not like they're truly cheating. They're actually doing the work, they're just using something to aid their focus. It is, however, highly dangerous and I'm staying the fuck away from it for my whole college career.

coffee compared to drugs not prescribed to you? come on dude.

2010-04-25 21:25:50

#6

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6823|Long Island, New York

11 Bravo wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
It's nothing new.

But... what's the difference between drinking a red bull or 2 and popping an adderall? Are you saying everyone should just do their studying completely naturally - just sleep, eat, read? What about people who drink coffee to stay up to study?

I'm not condoning it or anything, but it's not like they're truly cheating. They're actually doing the work, they're just using something to aid their focus. It is, however, highly dangerous and I'm staying the fuck away from it for my whole college career.
coffee compared to drugs not prescribed to you? come on dude.

Coffee helps you focus, no? Helps you stay awake? Caffeine is a "psychoactive stimulant drug".

If Adderall was completely legal for any use, would you really have this issue?

2010-04-25 21:26:46

#7

Marlo Stanfield: online poker tax cheating; +122|5448

What kind of fucking stupid ass people need to use ADD drugs to stay awake and do homework? I naturally don't sleep for days on end and still manage to get A's while doing a host of other things.

Most of these college kid who dorm away spend most of their time ingesting all other sorts of shit that if they spent that time actually doing class work they wouldn't have to pop pills while cramming.

2010-04-25 21:27:36

#8

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5523|Cleveland, Ohio

Poseidon wrote:
If Adderall was completely legal for any use, would you really have this issue?

yes. caffeine is a stimulant, adderall is mind altering.

2010-04-25 21:27:40

#9

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,816|6391|eXtreme to the maX

I used epic quantities of tea, drugs - never touched them.

Its the whole 'get the green, how you do it doesn't matter' business which is scary.

Fuck Israel

2010-04-25 21:28:07

#10

mtb0minime: minimember; +2,418|6940

What's worse is that most of these kids doing it are of the more "useless" majors. All the business majors, art history, literature, etc. It's kind of sad that they think it's insanely difficult and requires that they take those kinds of drugs to do well, or at least pass. Then again, the memorizing and regurgitating are the only majors it works for. When you actually need to learn theories, learn to apply information, or most importantly, learn how to learn: an all-nighter with a cocktail of Red Bull and Adderall is not going to help you at all. Not surprisingly, these are the same kids who drink until their livers shut down and need to be rushed to the hospital and have their stomachs pumped... every weekend.

2010-04-25 21:28:17

#11

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6823|Long Island, New York

11 Bravo wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
If Adderall was completely legal for any use, would you really have this issue?
yes. caffeine is a stimulant, adderall is mind altering.

But that's not your issue.

2010-04-25 21:29:13

#12

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5523|Cleveland, Ohio

Poseidon wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
If Adderall was completely legal for any use, would you really have this issue?
yes. caffeine is a stimulant, adderall is mind altering.
But that's not your issue.

yes it is. i dont want to have an employee who needs drugs to do their job all day.

2010-04-25 21:31:14

#13

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6823|Long Island, New York

11 Bravo wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:

yes. caffeine is a stimulant, adderall is mind altering.
But that's not your issue.
yes it is. i dont want to have an employee who needs drugs to do their job all day.

But you're fine if they need coffee to function? Like a lot of people nowadays?

2010-04-25 21:32:09

#14

Marlo Stanfield: online poker tax cheating; +122|5448

Coffee taste like shit, I don't know how some of you people can get addicted to that crap.

2010-04-25 21:33:46

#15

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5523|Cleveland, Ohio

Poseidon wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
Poseidon wrote:

But that's not your issue.
yes it is. i dont want to have an employee who needs drugs to do their job all day.
But you're fine if they need coffee to function? Like a lot of people nowadays?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5h2_eIzoYU

a can of pepsi versus a drug that fucks with your brain for 6 hours is your comparison?

2010-04-25 21:34:15

#16

mtb0minime: minimember; +2,418|6940

Poseidon, just don't come crawling to us several months from now complaining that you lost your pills and now you can't do your homework and if we know any places you can get some before your big test tomorrow.

2010-04-25 21:35:39

#17

11 Bravo: Banned; +965|5523|Cleveland, Ohio

i can do my job without caffeine. most people can. a pill like that means people cannot function without it...period.

2010-04-25 21:36:08

#18

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6823|Long Island, New York

11 Bravo wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
yes it is. i dont want to have an employee who needs drugs to do their job all day.
But you're fine if they need coffee to function? Like a lot of people nowadays?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5h2_eIzoYU
a can of pepsi versus a drug that fucks with your brain for 6 hours is your comparison?

They're both drugs. It's not apples to oranges. The only reason you're so against adderall is because it's not legal.

If adderall was in liquid form sold as "Fizzy Pop Drink" and college kids took it when they were studying, I don't think you'd have much of an issue. But because it's a pill and it's a prescription drug that's abused, you are.

Again, I'm not condoning the use of it. I just don't get how you're so against one but not the other just because one's worse.

mtb0minime wrote:
Poseidon, just don't come crawling to us several months from now complaining that you lost your pills and now you can't do your homework and if we know any places you can get some before your big test tomorrow.

I took an adderall in February on a jolly night of getting fucked up with my friends. Then the next morning I had work and pushed carts for 3 and a half hours in 15 degree weather whilst at the same time drinking a Red Bull. Never again.

I've already had heart problems back in October, I wouldn't risk myself like that again.

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2010-04-25 21:36:19

#19

Marlo Stanfield: online poker tax cheating; +122|5448

mtb0minime wrote:
What's worse is that most of these kids doing it are of the more "useless" majors. All the business majors, art history, literature, etc. It's kind of sad that they think it's insanely difficult and requires that they take those kinds of drugs to do well, or at least pass. Then again, the memorizing and regurgitating are the only majors it works for. When you actually need to learn theories, learn to apply information, or most importantly, learn how to learn: an all-nighter with a cocktail of Red Bull and Adderall is not going to help you at all. Not surprisingly, these are the same kids who drink until their livers shut down and need to be rushed to the hospital and have their stomachs pumped... every weekend.

This^^

I may not go to some uber top ranked University, but I've seen the syllabus and course loads for several big top ranked Universities and they are the same thing I'm doing using the same exact books.

In my experience college is fairly easy and most of these people needing to use drugs to get through it are fucking weak.

2010-04-25 21:37:40

#20

Marlo Stanfield: online poker tax cheating; +122|5448

Poseidon wrote:
I just don't get how you're so against one but not the other just because one's worse.

derp

2010-04-25 21:38:08

#21

mtb0minime: minimember; +2,418|6940

Poseidon wrote:
But because it's a pill and it's a prescription drug that's abused, you are.

That's the difference between Adderall and caffeine. Yes, caffeine can be slightly addictive, and you can even experience withdrawal when quitting it completely, but it's not nearly in the same magnitude as the drugs mentioned in the OP.

Poseidon wrote:
I took an adderall in February on a jolly night of getting fucked up with my friends. Then the next morning I had work and pushed carts for 3 and a half hours in 15 degree weather whilst at the same time drinking a Red Bull. Never again.

I've already had heart problems back in October, I wouldn't risk myself like that again.

Ok good. Now please spread the good word, no doubt you'll run into these kinds of retards in college.

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2010-04-25 21:38:13

#22

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6823|Long Island, New York

So let's talk about how robbery is okay because rape is worse, eh?

2010-04-25 21:40:15

#23

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6823|Long Island, New York

mtb0minime wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
But because it's a pill and it's a prescription drug that's abused, you are.
That's the difference between Adderall and caffeine. Yes, caffeine can be slightly addictive, and you can even experience withdrawal when quitting it completely, but it's not nearly in the same magnitude as the drugs mentioned in the OP.

I get that adderall is worse. But they are both psychostimulants that people use to focus or stay awake. If you're going to be criticize people for using one, you should really follow suit with people who require coffee to function.

America really does run on Dunkin'.

edit: god damn it's late, where do i come up with the word "beride"

Last edited by Poseidon (2010-04-25 21:41:56)

2010-04-25 21:45:49

#24

mtb0minime: minimember; +2,418|6940

Poseidon wrote:
mtb0minime wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
But because it's a pill and it's a prescription drug that's abused, you are.
That's the difference between Adderall and caffeine. Yes, caffeine can be slightly addictive, and you can even experience withdrawal when quitting it completely, but it's not nearly in the same magnitude as the drugs mentioned in the OP.
I get that adderall is worse. But they are both psychostimulants that people use to focus or stay awake. If you're going to be criticize people for using one, you should really follow suit with people who require coffee to function.

America really does run on Dunkin'.

To be perfectly honest, I scoff at the kids who need Red Bull and whatnot, as well. So I'm not segregating or giving any preferential treatment. College isn't necessarily about learning that specific material, it's about learning how to learn, and a lot of these people don't get it. Using drugs as a crutch and placebo to pseudo-learn doesn't help at all.

Personally, I don't drink coffee because I hate the taste, and though I do drink soda, I don't require caffeine to function (and actually prefer not drinking any the night before a big test or while I'm working on homework or a project; sometimes I can get all wired/jittery, and it really doesn't help me focus, just winds up making me more distracted).

Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Needing coffee to function is weak, needing adderall is weaker

My thoughts exactly.

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2010-04-25 21:46:49

#25

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|5987|College Park, MD

Needing coffee to function is weak, needing adderall is weaker

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